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    Which DNA Test is Best?

    https://dna-explained.com/2017/04/24...-test-is-best/

    DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy
    Discovering Your Ancestors – One Gene at a Time
    Which DNA Test is Best?

    Posted on April 24, 2017
    If you’re reading this article, congratulations. You’re a savvy shopper and you’re doing some research before purchasing a DNA test. You’ve come to the right place.
    The most common question I receive is asking which test is best to purchase. There is no one single best answer for everyone – it depends on your testing goals and your pocketbook.
    Testing Goals
    People who want to have their DNA tested have a goal in mind and seek results to utilize for their particular purpose. Today, in the Direct to Consumer (DTC) DNA market space, people have varied interests that fall into the general categories of genealogy and medical/health.
    I’ve approached the question of “which test is best” by providing information grouped into testing goal categories. I’ve compared the different vendors and tests from the perspective of someone who is looking to test for those purposes – and I’ve created separate sections of this article for each interest..
    We will be discussing testing for:
    • Ethnicity – Who Am I? – Breakdown by Various World Regions
    • Adoption – Finding Missing Parents or Close Family
    • Genealogy – Cousin Matching and Ancestor Search/Verification
    • Medical/Health
    We will be reviewing the following test types:
    • Autosomal
    • Y DNA (males only)
    • Mitochondrial DNA
    I have included summary charts for each section, plus an additional chart for:
    • Additional Vendor Considerations
    If you are looking to select one test, or have limited funds, or are looking to prioritize certain types of tests, you’ll want to read about each vendor, each type of test, and each testing goal category.
    Each category reports information about the vendors and their products from a different perspective – and only you can decide which of these perspectives and features are most important to you.
    You might want to read this short article for a quick overview of the 4 kinds of DNA used for genetic genealogy and DTC testing and how they differ.

  • #2
    When I posted
    North Slavic- Includes: Belarusian in Belarus; Estonian in Estonia; Lithuanian in Lithuania; Mordovian and Russian in Russia and Ukrainian in (East) Ukraine
    results, I was posting from "Dna Land" and an Anthrogenica forum poster has this to say about that

    Please keep in mind that the "North Slavic" category used by DNA.Land is actually Baltic and East Slavic, with absolutely no West Slavic samples at all. Also note that "Balkan" includes Bulgarians, who obviously have a Slavic component.

    Anthrogenica Genetics and Anthropology Discussion Forum

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...-from-DNA-Land

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    • #3
      I did one at myheritage because
      1. My country doenst allow health testing anyway
      2. i wanted a cheap test to try out
      and at that time it was the best deal.

      MH puts north-west Europeans into one group as they dont have enough test samples yet or the differences arent big enough.
      Keep in mind that dna testing is only a big thing in north America and only slowly catching up elsewhere.

      If you think your resultsare not accurate enough, you can upload them to www.gedmatch.com , the afaik biggest dna database.
      Its free and they have more tests and ancient samples but its not very user firendly

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      • #4
        Originally posted by N-rg View Post
        I did one at myheritage because
        1. My country doenst allow health testing anyway
        2. i wanted a cheap test to try out
        and at that time it was the best deal.

        MH puts north-west Europeans into one group as they dont have enough test samples yet or the differences arent big enough.
        Keep in mind that dna testing is only a big thing in north America and only slowly catching up elsewhere.

        If you think your resultsare not accurate enough, you can upload them to www.gedmatch.com , the afaik biggest dna database.
        Its free and they have more tests and ancient samples but its not very user firendly
        Thank you for your post! I really like gedmatch.com !

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        • #5
          I'm an abnormally healthy Ukrainian/Tatar/Polish/Armenian/German/Jewish/Russian mix, and possibly then some, without any cousins that reside in the USA...
          So I have no choice, but to spend those 2 Franklins at O'Brians tonight

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          • #6
            Well, according to ged match, MDLP World Oracle results:
            but that's just one test.

            Admix Results (sorted):

            # Population Percent
            1 South_and_West_European 44.73
            2 North_and_East_European 40.26
            3 Caucaus_Parsia 8.45
            4 Middle_East 4.93
            5 Indian 1.31
            6 Arctic_Amerind 0.32
            Single Population Sharing:

            # Population (source) Distance
            1 Slovenian 1.35
            2 Hungarian 1.77
            3 Austrian 2.42
            4 German_V 2.43
            5 Croatian 2.68
            6 CEU_V 3.42
            7 Czech 4.26
            8 Bosnian 4.61
            9 German-North 5.21
            10 German 5.36
            11 CEU 5.46
            12 Croatian_V 5.49
            13 Welsh 5.86
            14 Slovakian 6.03
            15 Norwegian_V 6.12
            16 British 6.38
            17 Orcadian 6.82
            18 German-South 7.32
            19 Swedish 7.53
            20 Serbian 8.22

            Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

            # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
            1 95.6% Slovenian + 4.4% Greek_South @ 0.63
            2 96.1% Slovenian + 3.9% Italian-Center @ 0.63
            3 96.9% Slovenian + 3.1% Greek_Cretan @ 0.63
            4 90.7% Slovenian + 9.3% Macedonian @ 0.63
            5 95.5% Slovenian + 4.5% Greek_North @ 0.64
            6 96.2% Slovenian + 3.8% Greek_East @ 0.64
            7 97.5% Slovenian + 2.5% Cypriot @ 0.64
            8 93.4% Slovenian + 6.6% Gagauz @ 0.64
            9 96% Slovenian + 4% Greek_Center @ 0.65
            10 96.5% Slovenian + 3.5% Italian-South @ 0.65
            11 79.4% Slovenian + 20.6% Bosnian @ 0.66
            12 96.6% Slovenian + 3.4% Sicilian @ 0.66
            13 92.3% Slovenian + 7.7% Bulgarian @ 0.66
            14 97.3% Slovenian + 2.7% Sephardim @ 0.68
            15 87.5% Slovenian + 12.5% Serbian @ 0.68
            16 97.2% Slovenian + 2.8% Jew_Italia @ 0.69
            17 97.1% Slovenian + 2.9% Jew_France @ 0.69
            18 69% Slovenian + 31% Croatian @ 0.69
            19 97.6% Slovenian + 2.4% Jew_Syria @ 0.69
            20 96.3% Slovenian + 3.7% Jew_Romania @ 0.69

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            • #7
              what does population distance mean? sounds like a vague term..

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              • #8
                I wonder if this should also include full genome sequencing.

                The price is dropping FAST.

                We've been below the $1000 barrier for over 1 year now.

                We should see $499 within a year, and $199-250 within 3.

                Not much you can do with it now, but when the price falls to the price of a pizza and with many millions to to crunch in big data, combined with successful CRISPR edits, we are looking at a revolution in health care.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jsilver View Post
                  what does population distance mean? sounds like a vague term..
                  I really don't know, but this link says: the number to the right is the distance between your results and the population in question. Similar numbers are given for the mixed population results.

                  I think the one at the top is the one (population) closest to my dna results.


                  # Population (source) Distance
                  1 Slovenian 1.35

                  https://www.theapricity.com/forum/ar.../t-107159.html

                  and I know is there are very knowledgeable posts, and scientific studies, also it seems on dna forums everyone has an opinion about everything for example:
                  MDLP results are skewed by calculator effect. Use Eurogenes
                  There's eight admixture utilities on ged match, and Eurogenes (one of the eight) has 14 calculator modules. Each of the 8 have their own # of calculator modules.

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                  • #10
                    So here is results from Eurogenes K 13 Admixture Proportions

                    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
                    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

                    Admix Results (sorted):

                    # Population Percent
                    1 North_Atlantic 46.49
                    2 Baltic 23.2
                    3 West_Med 15.34
                    4 East_Med 5.57
                    5 West_Asian 5.31
                    6 Red_Sea 1.29
                    7 South_Asian 0.91
                    8 Northeast_African 0.78
                    9 Amerindian 0.66
                    10 Oceanian 0.45

                    Single Population Sharing:

                    # Population (source) Distance
                    1 South_Dutch 2.87
                    2 Southeast_English 4.04
                    3 West_German 4.23
                    4 Southwest_English 5.53
                    5 Orcadian 5.86
                    6 North_German 6.25
                    7 North_Dutch 6.35
                    8 Danish 6.59
                    9 Irish 6.83
                    10 West_Scottish 7.28
                    11 French 8.4
                    12 Norwegian 8.75
                    13 Swedish 9.88
                    14 Austrian 10.45
                    15 East_German 11.35
                    16 North_Swedish 14.78
                    17 Hungarian 15.24
                    18 Spanish_Cataluna 15.86
                    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.97
                    20 Spanish_Galicia 17.03

                    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

                    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                    1 74% North_German + 26% Spanish_Cantabria @ 0.98
                    2 76.3% North_German + 23.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.01
                    3 78.3% Southwest_English + 21.7% Serbian @ 1.06
                    4 73.6% North_German + 26.4% Southwest_French @ 1.11
                    5 88% North_Dutch + 12% Sardinian @ 1.19
                    6 80.8% Southwest_English + 19.2% Romanian @ 1.25
                    7 73.2% North_Dutch + 26.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.28
                    8 66.6% Norwegian + 33.4% Portuguese @ 1.29
                    9 51% French + 49% Norwegian @ 1.32
                    10 68.8% Norwegian + 31.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.33
                    11 82.6% Southwest_English + 17.4% Bulgarian @ 1.34
                    12 73.6% North_Dutch + 26.4% Portuguese @ 1.35
                    13 87.7% Danish + 12.3% Sardinian @ 1.36
                    14 75.5% North_German + 24.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.37
                    15 57.2% North_Dutch + 42.8% French @ 1.43
                    16 57.3% West_German + 42.7% Southwest_English @ 1.43
                    17 75.5% North_Dutch + 24.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.44
                    18 73% South_Dutch + 27% Irish @ 1.46
                    19 66.3% Norwegian + 33.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 1.47
                    20 60.5% South_Dutch + 39.5% Southeast_English @ 1.49

                    I'd say this is my Maternal Grandmother:
                    # Population (source) Distance
                    1 South_Dutch 2.87
                    2 Southeast_English 4.04
                    3 West_German 4.23
                    4 Southwest_English 5.53
                    5 Orcadian 5.86
                    6 North_German 6.25
                    7 North_Dutch 6.35

                    Danish, Norwegian and French could all be Paternal, but Danish could also be Maternal, and anything with Spanish, is maternal.


                    Except the Orcadian may be Paternal


                    Irish, Scottish, French are all Paternal. Also Norwegian and Swedish. i.e. Y haplogroup I-M253

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Flagg View Post
                      I wonder if this should also include full genome sequencing.

                      The price is dropping FAST.

                      We've been below the $1000 barrier for over 1 year now.

                      We should see $499 within a year, and $199-250 within 3.

                      Not much you can do with it now, but when the price falls to the price of a pizza and with many millions to to crunch in big data, combined with successful CRISPR edits, we are looking at a revolution in health care.
                      That was awaited for years : personalised therapies are on the way
                      That doesn't mean they will be cheap, Big Pharma being what they are

                      And yes total genome below 300 $ will also bring a lot of companies and start up in the field of ancestry-origin assessment. A lot of people are curious about that. If only it helps to curb racism around the world. I am however afraid that it may derives toward insurance tests rather
                      Last edited by Mordoror; 01-09-2017, 12:04 AM. Reason: typos

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mordoror View Post

                        That was awaited for years : personalised therapies are on the way
                        That doesn't mean they will be chea, Big Pharma being what they are

                        And yes total genome below 300 $ will also bring a lot of companies and start up in the field of ancestry-origin assessment. A lot of people are curious about that. It only it helps to curb racism around the world. I am however afraid that it may derives toward insurance tests rather
                        Yes! People are curious about it, and we know who our parents tell us we are, but they don't know all their ethnicity, and I believe neither does anyone else without dna. Agree with all of your post.

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                        • #13
                          When I use this test, then the Ukrainian, Belarusian, Russian, Estonian, and Lithuanian shows up.
                          Eurasia K9 ASI 4-Ancestors Oracle
                          Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

                          Admix Results (sorted):

                          # Population Percent
                          1 WHG 42.01
                          2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.88
                          3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 15.79
                          4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 15.09
                          5 SW_Asian 5.31


                          Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
                          9 components mode.

                          --------------------------------

                          Least-squares method.

                          Using 1 population approximation:
                          1 Hungarian @ 4.069684
                          2 English @ 4.558041
                          3 Scottish @ 4.656360
                          4 Czech @ 5.776644
                          5 Ukrainian @ 6.359106
                          6 Norwegian @ 6.490727
                          7 Croatian @ 7.187109
                          8 French @ 8.183208
                          9 Icelandic @ 8.938643
                          10 Belarusian @ 11.356555
                          11 Russian @ 13.999434
                          12 Bulgarian @ 14.817418
                          13 French_South @ 15.534457
                          14 RISE_baBb @ 16.476265
                          15 Spanish @ 16.482449
                          16 Lithuanian @ 17.615906
                          17 Estonian @ 17.788273
                          18 RISE_irSca @ 18.155893
                          19 RISE_baSca @ 18.361803
                          20 Finnish @ 18.613678

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                          • #14
                            Eurogenes Blog
                            Focusing on European population genetics and modern physical anthropology.

                            http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/0...thuanians.html


                            Latvians: very similar to Lithuanians

                            The Estonian Biocentre has uploaded a new dataset from a forthcoming paper on the population structure of Slavs. It includes Latvians, Slovakians and Slovenians. Below is a Principal Component Analysis (PCA) featuring these individuals. Most of the other samples are from the Human Origins dataset.
                            Obviously, Latvians aren't Slavs; they're Balts just like Lithuanians. They're probably in this dataset because Balts are close neighbors and relatives of Slavs.

                            Note that these six Latvians are overall the most northerly group in this analysis, which suggests that they have the highest ratio of European Hunter-Gatherer ancestry. Nevertheless, they're obviously still very similar to Lithuanians and their Uralic neighbors to the north, the Estonians.

                            See also...

                            Finno-Ugric Poles in Kushniarevich et al. 2015

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cowboy's daughter View Post

                              # Population Percent
                              1 WHG 42.01
                              2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 20.88
                              3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 15.79
                              4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 15.09
                              5 SW_Asian 5.31
                              Hey, i have very similiar results in this test, just with more eurasian, which apparently breaks every modern test for me, with conflicting results etc. Admix Results (sorted):
                              # Population Percent
                              1 WHG 40.74
                              2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.18
                              3 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 15.32
                              4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 14.15
                              5 SW_Asian 6.09
                              6 SE_Asian 0.35
                              7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.17
                              So i go back in time, thats more interesing.
                              I dont know what a "Natufian" is, but it sounds interesting.

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