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  • Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
    He's the 'non-systemic' opposition and got thrown out on his ass.

    If he was smarter he would have gone the way of Ksenia Sobchak - who is running.

    Between her and the new KPRF candidate, Putin might struggle to maintain a majority - albeit he will still handily win any run-off.
    Plurality of Russian voters who distrust VVP and dislike his policy might vote for someone you did not mention at all.



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    • Originally posted by blackcatnursery View Post
      Putin for President again then with 110% of the vote in free and fair elections.........
      Personally, I say let the self-righteous crusader run.

      He’ll get crushed no matter what, but at least it will put a dent in his ego.

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      • I suspect the problem is, whilst Putin could easily demolish Navalny 'letting him run' would likely mean political interference in the courts which in turn gives the accusations of the President/Government etc controlling the courts some weight

        If anyone knows the laws on this better than myself I'd be interested to be corrected or else.....

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        • This Sorosian tirade from early 2016 has not aged well:
          https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...-soros-2016-02

          Literally everything Soros says has been proven false in one way or another. The stuff pertaining to this thread (regarding Russia's economy etc) is technically just a sidenote of his there, but totally wrong regardless. The main topic, namely Syria, is borderline hilarious to read in retrospect, now that the facts are in (incl UN migration data)

          Tells you a few things though, about what's been going on in the mind of this extremely, creepily influential person.

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          • ooh, that long syberian roads...

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            • As Russians are saying "Украина стоит в сторонке и нервно курит" (Ukraine stands in the side and smokes nervously)...

              https://en.crimerussia.com/drugmafia...chment-russia/

              Police have evidence cocaine from Argentina was delivered by Russian Government plane

              The tail number of the jet, owned by the flying squad, coincides with what is seen on the footage of the videotape provided by the Argentine gendarmerie.

              Photos and videos attached to the criminal case on the supply of drugs from Argentina to Russia were published on the web. The materials were published by the gendarmerie of Argentina.

              The footage shows the image of an airplane in which, presumably, the cocaine in suitcases was loaded. It is noteworthy that the tail number of the liner coincides with the Il-96 number, which belongs to the flight squadron Russia involved in transportation of Russian top officials.

              As RBC writes, the airliner with the number 96023, which is visible on the footage, went to the disposal of the Russian Special Forces Flight Squadron Russia of the Presidential Affairs Department in August 2016. This is currently the last IL-96, which replenished the fleet of the flying squad.

              At the same time, according to the resource russianplanes.net, on December 6, 2017, the IL-96 aircraft with the onboard number 96023 was at the airport of Buenos Aires. On December 7, it was in Cape Verde, from where it flew to Moscow.
              https://www.rbc.ru/society/26/02/201...rom=main_right

              Новый самолет отряда «Россия» оказался лайнером из «кокаинового дела»

              Бортовой номер самолета, фигурировавшего в деле о пресечении поставок наркотиков из Аргентины в Россию, совпадает с номером Ил-96, который принадлежит летному отряду «Россия», обслуживающему первых лиц государства, выяснил РБК
              https://echo.msk.ru/blog/echomsk/2155702-echo/

              Самолет управделами президента фигурирует в расследовании поставки кокаина из Аргентины в Россию

              Аргентинская жандармерия опубликовала фотографии из материалов дела. На них видно, как в Ил-96 грузят чемоданы, в которых, как предполагали организаторы контрабанды, находится кокаин. РБКустановил, что воздушное судно принадлежит летному отряду «Россия». Он поступил туда несколько лет назад. Более того, в декабре прошлого года самолет действительно совершил рейс в Буэнос-Айрес. Пресса писала, что крупную партию кокаина обнаружили на территории посольства России в Аргентине.

              Между тем, сайт, посвященный российской авиации, закрылся после того, как на него сослался РБКв расследовании дела о поставке кокаина. Благодаря интернет-ресурсу удалось установить, что в транспортировке наркотиков участвовал самолет летного отряда «Россия».

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              • Noice spin there!

                What you didn't quote though, is that coke in those suitcases on the footage was already replaced with flour and GPS trackers by the joint Russian-Argentinian investigation team at that point.
                As result of year-long operation.

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                • Originally posted by teh_beard View Post
                  What you didn't quote though, is that coke in those suitcases on the footage was already replaced with flour and GPS trackers by the joint Russian-Argentinian investigation team at that point.
                  As result of year-long operation.
                  1. Was this the first case than drugs there stored/transported through Russian diplomatic channels from Argentina?

                  2. Fact of replacement probably was confidential and we might guess that persons who organised/there involved in drug traffic through Russian diplomatic channels probably there unaware about ongoing police operation.

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                  • Originally posted by AurimasLT View Post

                    1. Was this the first case than drugs there stored/transported through Russian diplomatic channels from Argentina?

                    2. Fact of replacement probably was confidential and we might guess that persons who organised/there involved in drug traffic through Russian diplomatic channels probably there unaware about ongoing police operation.
                    Well if the investigation has really been going on for a year than its a fair bet to say that this isn't the first case of it.

                    We'll see what follows. The whole consulate should be fired and a good bunch of them should be charged with drug trafficking, hopefully it won't be a slap on the wrist of just finding one scapegoat or simply transferring personnel to different posts until the public forgets about the scandal.

                    Hopefully they've ID'd their contacts in Russia over the course of the investigation too.

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                    • Originally posted by flamming_python View Post

                      Well if the investigation has really been going on for a year than its a fair bet to say that this isn't the first case of it.

                      We'll see what follows. The whole consulate should be fired and a good bunch of them should be charged with drug trafficking, hopefully it won't be a slap on the wrist of just finding one scapegoat or simply transferring personnel to different posts until the public forgets about the scandal.

                      Hopefully they've ID'd their contacts in Russia over the course of the investigation too.
                      Not really. From what I read it might have been one-time thing, opportunity move by a guy from consulate technical stuff. He managed to get the drugs to the storage on consulate grounds, but then his contract weren`t renewed and he did not have opportunity to get those and fly them to Russia for year. While they were discovered, and our council contacted Argentinian police. Can`t imagine without consulting with Moscow first...

                      And probably not. Its a massive embarrassment, so the perpetrators will be punished, but the thing as a whole will be denied, downplayed and swept under the rug for the best of Mrs. Zakarova "There are no Russian * there" ability.

                      What IS actually shameful - its that russianplanes.net that reported flightpath of this board got nobbed on the head so hard by some screw from our government, as part of this great knee-jerk reaction they have for reports on such scandalous happenings, that its owner deleted the site, its group in VK, and even friggin sister-site that followed naval thematic.
                      Pathetic.

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                      • https://www.facebook.com/BorisNemtsovPlaza/

                        I`m glad it actually saw a light of day, since the initial proposition was kinda seemingly forgotten in the most recent stream of zomgRussia!1 media hypes.

                        Nemtzov Plaza. Right across a Russian embassy. Its a masterful trolling!
                        And the man gets memorized at least somewhere. Not that for the right reasons - he was a political nobody for the last 15 or so years, but still.

                        Well done.

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                        • https://financialobserver.eu/recent-...-with-gazprom/

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                          • Second Baikal tunnel completed
                            The second Baikal tunnel at the administrative border between Irkutsk Region and Buryatia is a critically important project to modernise the Baikal-Amur Mainline and the Trans-Siberian Railway. Once the tunnel is opened, the traffic capacity of this section will increase two and half times. The tunnel has been under conduction since October 2014, and the first train will run through it in 2019.

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                            • Pretty interesting overview of major Russian presidential candidates plans for relations between Russia and the EU

                              (yes we do have elections in Russia, it's not quite a dictator-for-life setup).

                              https://sputniknews.com/russia-elect...ates-position/

                              Vladimir Putin, self-nominated presidential candidate

                              In the event of his victory, this will be the 4th presidential mandate for Vladimir Putin. When asked about the prospects of relations with the EU if Putin is re-elected, his confidant Evgeni Alexandrovich Primakov told Sputnik that Russia is interested in seeing the EU as a "predictable and stable" partner. "Our most important export product is security and stability, not oil, gas, and grain. On these grounds, we would like to further continue building our relations with the EU, on a transparent rather than politicized basis. We count on the EU someday coming out from under the American umbrella in the sense that this umbrella is working against the EU’s interests. " "Each EU member has advantages as well as strengths and weaknesses. The German economy makes profit from trade; it is the most powerful economy, and machine production consumes a huge amount of resources, metals and energy – something we can supply to them. And trade with Germany has developed well even despite sanctions. We have very good relations with France for the same reasons related to a robust economy. But at the same time we do not want to be friends only with those who are rich, strong and good in terms of production."
                              Tried and failed, Putz.
                              Tried and failed.

                              Pavel Grudinin, the Communist Party of Russia

                              In this year's elections, the Communist Party is being represented not by its traditional candidate Gennady Zyuganov, but Pavel Grudinin who stands for "social optimism." On the EU, the presidential candidate stands for cooperation with those forces that "do not set the goal of turning Russia into a raw material appendage of the European continent," Grudinin's confidant Maxim Shevchenko told Sputnik. "We also have something to learn from the Europeans, in particular, to know more about the social state and the development of socially-oriented businesses," he said. As for the sanctions, Pavel Grudinin relies on the support of the left-wing forces in the EU. "I think that this is a matter that can be discussed. It is a non-principal and extremely conflicting issue. In the language of normal diplomacy and a normal negotiating process with the Europeans, especially with the left-wing forces in Europe, I think we can reach a consensus."
                              I like these ideas, supporting left-wing forces sounds good, better than working with the far-right in any case. But Russia has a lot of work to do as many of these left-wing forces have turned into supporters of globalism and and neo-liberalism, while the ones that have stuck to their roots have been marginalized.

                              Maxim Suraykin, the Communists of Russia Party

                              Stalinist Maxim Suraykin calls for a return to the USSR and pursuing an extremely tough policy towards the EU. In the event of his victory, Suraykin "will try to separate those European countries that used to belong to the Soviet Union's zone of influence and the socialist camp from such countries as Britain, Germany and France," Sergey Malinkovich, head of Suraykin's election campaign and deputy chairman of the party, told Sputnik. "The special services will be tasked with changing power in these countries, which will be fulfilled in close cooperation and on the initiative of those forces that are in place in these countries," he said. The same tough line pertains to the economy. "Until relief from sanctions, there cannot be any special foreign economic relations, but very active measures will be taken. We can talk about steps that could very seriously destabilize the EU economy as an aggressor against the Russian economy."
                              I'm not sure what such policies are expected to achieve. If the EU can't collapse Russia with sanctions and regime-change desires, then Russia certainly can't collapse the EU with them.

                              Vladimir Zhirinovsky, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia

                              The "eternal" presidential candidate since 1991, and one of the most eccentric politicians in Russia, he believes that Russia should speak with the West using the language of power. "It is necessary to speak with the West in another language, the language of force and ultimatum. So we have closed the tap for Ukraine for the first time in 50 years. It was long necessary to stop gas deliveries to Ukraine […] Only ultimatums, force, dictatorship and toughness will help us become a rich and happy state,” Zhirinovsky said during pre-election debates on Russia's Channel One television station. "Russia must pursue a tough policy which should be in line with its national interests. This does not mean fighting or showing aggression. Not at all. But this means always being ready for this and being ready to pound your fist on the table so that the enemies flutter, Zhirinovsky said in an interview with the analytical portal RuBaltic.Ru in January.
                              Just says the first thing on his mind or whatever he thinks people want to hear. Who knows what this comedian would do if he ever actually gained real power.

                              Ksenia Sobchak, Civiс Initiative Party

                              The only woman in the presidential race and the youngest candidate, Ksenia Sobchak styles herself as the candidate "against all." She calls for a "reset" of relations with the EU, citing common interests in the sphere of security and the need for an anti-terrorist struggle. "Russia, Europe and the United States have common enemies. We have common interests with Europe and common security goals, we must jointly grapple with terrorist threats and banned organizations," she told Sputnik. "Russia is a European country. The EU is our historical partner, and we need to do our best to restore partnership relations with Europe. A long-term goal should be the signing of an association agreement with the EU," she said.
                              Because of course an association aggreement gave plenty of benefits to the Ukraine and didn't just turn it into a financial colony and raw-materials appendage to the EU right, with preferable conditions for foreign corporations over those of its own?

                              Grigory Yavlinsky, the Yabloko Party

                              A social liberal politician, Grigory Yavlinsky is throwing his hat into the presidential ring for the third time. He stands for reducing tensions, restoring confidence with the EU and integration into the "economic structures of Europe." Responding to Sputnik's request, the politician's press secretary recalled that the EU is Russia's main trading partner and supported the principle of partnership in foreign economic relations. "It's necessary to find common ground in order to remove mutual sanctions which damage the economy and the standard of living of the Russian people. There are enough common goals for such a dialogue, including development of the system of non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the fight against terrorism and the joint resolution of an ideological crisis in which the modern West turned out to be," he said. "Ultimately, Yavlinsky's goal is a 'Greater Europe' - from Reykjavik to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky," representatives of Yavlinsky's headquarters said.
                              It's neccessary to remove the sanctions and perhaps desirable to build a Greater Europe, yes Mr. Yavlinsky.
                              But how exactly do you propose to do that?

                              Boris Titov, the Party of Growth

                              A businessman and the Russian president's authorized representative for the rights of entrepreneurs, Boris Titov stakes on economic development in his election program. According to him, it is something that should become a way out of the situation with sanctions, because no one would dare to threaten an economic giant with sanctions. "The successful development and rapidly growing economic market on Russia's vast Eurasian expanses will stop the Europeans from continuing and tightening the sanctions-related policy," Titov told Sputnik. "Traditionally, Russian policy is all about finding ‘special relations’ with key EU players, such as Germany and France. We need to learn how to work with the institutions of the European Union as an organization and the notorious Brussels bureaucracy as well as build bridges with the countries of Eastern and Central Europe, mainly with Poland." "My idea is to develop a fundamentally new framework for the relationship between Russia and the European Union. The most suitable format could be a new edition of the 1975 Helsinki Act."
                              I like these ideas as well.
                              But perhaps a tad optimistic; if you can't maintain strategic partnerships with seperate member states, then agreeing with the bloc as a whole will be even tougher.
                              But certainly he's right that the priority should be expanding Russia's economy, not revenge or regime-change or any sort of ideological confrontation.

                              Sergey Baburin, the Russian All People's Union Party

                              One of the veterans of Russian politics, Sergei Baburin once spoke out against the collapse of the USSR. Today, in the event of his victory, he pledges to give priority to Russia's industrial and agricultural development. He plans to respond to European sanctions by bringing economic growth to the forefront. "Europeans should see that the sanctions are meaningless and ineffective, and that cooperation with Russia is much more profitable," the spokesman for the candidate said. "European leaders themselves and European businesses will realize the fact that they suffer from sanctions, something that will be the most important instrument for lifting the anti-Russian sanctions." "We have traditional economic partners in Europe, first and foremost Germany. Russia has always had traditionally deep economic ties with France, Italy and Central European countries." "Now we need to restore all this. But in addition to these economic giants, we plan to develop economic relations with countries that have Slavic roots."
                              Good plan, again prioritization of economic growth. About getting the Europeans to see that the sanctions are meangingless - that depends on them not on Russia. Developing economic ties with Slavic countries - I'm all for it. Perhaps something that has been neglected over the past 15 years; even with close or formely close countries like Belarus and the Ukraine.

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                              • Soooo.....what are everyone's preferences in regards to the coming election? Did anyone else have fun spectating all that drama during the "debates"?

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