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    Just opening thye discussion with this piece by the Beeb. NOt complete, a bit outdated, but in English.

    France fuel protest: One dead in 'yellow vest' blockades

    [...]One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.[...]
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46233560
    The protest is taking place out of political parties, although the main leaders of the opposition parties (Le Pen, Mélenchon and Vauquiez have expressed various degrees of support for the movement. Other leaders are joining, such as Dupont-Aignan (national right) and Faure (Parti Socialiste). As of now, the toll is one dead and about 100 injured. I just saw a report on what is taking place around Bordeaux, my place. One of the 2 bridges on the motorway circling Bordeaux is being blocked, and people intend to keep it up during the night. It looks too as if the goals are getting more and more anti Macron, as the demonstrators were chanting "Macron Démission!", inviting the president to step down. As of now, the situation is very tense, we'll see what comes out of it. The only sure thing is that this is a major blow to Macron's presidency.

    Edit : On state TV now, toll is 200+ injured.

  • #2
    French national sport

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nansouty
      Can we please dispense with the off topic snide remarks?
      Just one more

      Where are the European and American media and politicians that should be flying over there to hand out cookies, make grand speeches about democracy and call for the protestors to overthrow their government, while putting sanctions on France over the excessive use of police force?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by flamming_python View Post

        Just one more

        Where are the European and American media and politicians that should be flying over there to hand out cookies, make grand speeches about democracy and call for the protestors to overthrow their government, while putting sanctions on France over the excessive use of police force?
        Did that actually happen somewhere?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PEMM View Post

          Did that actually happen somewhere?
          The Maidan thing in Ukraine? The Arab Spring as well, iirc.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by flamming_python View Post

            Just one more

            Where are the European and American media and politicians that should be flying over there to hand out cookies, make grand speeches about democracy and call for the protestors to overthrow their government, while putting sanctions on France over the excessive use of police force?
            No excessive use of force has happened yet, that is why Macron and Merkel want to break down national armies and create an EU army so they can use it to crack down on the populace if they protest, correct any countries that don't want to see things their europhile power hungry way and send it to Africa to fight France's neo-colonial wars.So it's still a work in progress on the way to the fourth Reich.

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            • #7
              To clarify, the dead is not due to police action. Protester were blocking a street and a woman driving his girl to the doctor attempt to pass. Protester hit the car and the driver panic, accelerate and hit a protester.
              This is what happen when you "organize" a meeting without organizing it. Calling on facebook is not organizing, it's being stupid. You have to take your responsibility, declare it and stay in contact with the authorities in case of problem.
              Also most of the wounded were cause by fight between non strikers and strikers.


              From my point of view, this is a joke, two years ago fuel were more expensive and nobody go on the street. But now people are discovering that living at 100km from their workplace (often to have lower rent) translate into putting more money in transport!
              Today I try to discuss with a striker, who say that he is hammered by taxes, that he must choose lower quality food... but who have an IPhone X in his hand. If your stupid to waste your money on this it's not the governement fault.

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              • #8
                SHUTTING DOWN FRANCE (Gilets jaunes)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by urielventis View Post
                  To clarify, the dead is not due to police action. Protester were blocking a street and a woman driving his girl to the doctor attempt to pass. Protester hit the car and the driver panic, accelerate and hit a protester.
                  This is what happen when you "organize" a meeting without organizing it. Calling on facebook is not organizing, it's being stupid. You have to take your responsibility, declare it and stay in contact with the authorities in case of problem.
                  Also most of the wounded were cause by fight between non strikers and strikers.


                  From my point of view, this is a joke, two years ago fuel were more expensive and nobody go on the street. But now people are discovering that living at 100km from their workplace (often to have lower rent) translate into putting more money in transport!
                  Today I try to discuss with a striker, who say that he is hammered by taxes, that he must choose lower quality food... but who have an IPhone X in his hand. If your stupid to waste your money on this it's not the governement fault.
                  hit the nail on the head there

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by blackcatnursery View Post
                    French national sport
                    Can't they just ride a scooter with their mistress on the back?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by flamming_python View Post

                      Just one more

                      Where are the European and American media and politicians that should be flying over there to hand out cookies, make grand speeches about democracy and call for the protestors to overthrow their government, while putting sanctions on France over the excessive use of police force?
                      Speaking of cookies I ordered 2 m&m cookies from Subway the other day. The reason I bring this up is because they were smaller in circumference to the large size I'd grown accustomed to from other Subway establishments. Anyways back to you making shallow comparisons to the Ukraine without bothering to properly distinguish important factors like the cost of a bagguette in downtown Paris compared to a dustbin in the Ukraine.

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                      • #12
                        The government does not care about this movement.

                        Though it first tried to delegitimize it by saying it was mostly lead by the far-right (the good old boogeyman) and it was a small movement of a few hundred people, which can, ultimately make you wonder if it is indeed lead by the far right (and, in fact, it isn't) and/or if it is such a small movement (not as small as the government pretends, but we are not talking about crowds and masses of people such as the ones during the world cup either...), the government announced it will proceed as planned.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mike1976 View Post
                          No excessive use of force has happened yet, that is why Macron and Merkel want to break down national armies and create an EU army so they can use it to crack down on the populace if they protest, correct any countries that don't want to see things their europhile power hungry way and send it to Africa to fight France's neo-colonial wars.So it's still a work in progress on the way to the fourth Reich.
                          If you really think that you belong into a loony bin. The current legislation with all the checks and balances in place simply wouldn't allow for something like this to happen. Besides that how many soldiers do you know that would take part and follow such orders?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ivan le Fou View Post

                            The Maidan thing in Ukraine? The Arab Spring as well, iirc.
                            Comparisons to the Maidan clusterfuck are a bit off for a host of reasons, but it is on the other hand nearly analogous to various civic protest movements in Russia in recent years that without fail receive unproportional coverage abroad and prompt numerous Western politicians, organizations etc to express "concern" and so on and so forth, while protest leaders enjoy strong promotion by Western outlets and on more than one occasion received straight up funding from various Western groups.

                            ...It really beats me why Russia doesn't seize on the opportunity to troll them back a bit when stuff like this occurs. Though, Zakharova has been in a trolling mood for a long time now so maybe that'll happen this time.

                            Anyway, I agree with urielventis, that pretty much sums it up.

                            It seems like the issues concerning arrests, injuries and the unfortunate death of one person here has to do with the unauthorized, chaotic nature of the protests, which incidentally also is the reason behind the same things in Russia (harr harr, Navalny for instance, the king of requesting and indeed being granted legitimate protest venues but then changing his mind at the last minute and sending off his goons to some completely different place, preferably crashing already ongoing events, leading to arrests and him getting fined, over and over and over and over again...) That fact tends to be omitted in the aforementioned coverage and "concern" though.

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                            • #15
                              Urielventis mostly got it right...

                              Even though it’s not only a protest about oil and fuel prices - some people were protesting against mandatory vaccine as well (!).

                              Pray tell - I’m not crazy about Macron’s presidency - the French have a habit of protesting sometimes rightly so. Sometimes not.

                              As written in the BBC article people are wondering where the hell the taxes money is going... since rural areas are emptying of public services and doctors and the people have to drive to their nearest small city to get hospitals or things. Sometimes even children nursery.

                              The killed women and those wounded were all because of impatient drivers and strikers. While tragic you can’t blame this on the police who were strictly asked to use restraint.

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