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  • Top Democratic Congressman Loses Seat To N.Y. Democratic Socialist In Huge Upset

    In the biggest primary upset of 2018, powerful Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.) lost his seat to progressive political newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Tuesday.

    Crowley is the chair of the House Democratic Caucus, and he was often named as a future leader of the party, should Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) retire one day.
    Ocasio-Cortez’s progressive platform includes ideas like a $15 minimum wage and Medicare for all, which have become more mainstream among Democratic Party leaders in recent years, as well as more radical proposals, like abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement and having a federal job guarantee.
    Ocasio-Cortez will also be the only current member of Congress who is a dues-paying member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0bbb7a0e46ccd


    Looks like the left is going even further left.

    This is going to be an excellent opportunity for Republicans if they play their cards right for the midterms, especially considering how the DSA calls the Second Amendment a threat to all.

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    There is also a danger that if the economy flounders, Trump and the republicans will cop the blame.

    Enter people of Bernie Sanders and the man above.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kilgor View Post
      There is also a danger that if the economy flounders, Trump and the republicans will cop the blame.

      Enter people of Bernie Sanders and the man above.
      She.

      But you’re right, this can potentially boomerang right back in the faces of Trump and the GOP if this tradewar goes south.

      Also something interesting:

      Only 28,000 votes were cast out of a population of 710,000 with 210,000 registered Democrats. This low voter turnout is absolutely insane even for primary elections.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by HisRoyalHighness View Post




        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0bbb7a0e46ccd


        Looks like the left is going even further left.

        This is going to be an excellent opportunity for Republicans if they play their cards right for the midterms, especially considering how the DSA calls the Second Amendment a threat to all.
        I'd say the left has been going further right since around the 80s and for the article to make the point that Medicare for all is more mainstream in democratic leadership circles is a false statement .

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        • #5

          A Democratic Socialist has just defeated 10 term incumbent Joe Crowley. This isn't the first time a socialist has held a seat in congress but it is an upset considering the massive difference in campaigns and experience. Crowley outspent Cortez 10 to 1 but still lost in the primary. However, I think this may backfire on the left as many people find socialism too far left and might move to the republican party as an alternative.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by HisRoyalHighness View Post

            She.

            But you’re right, this can potentially boomerang right back in the faces of Trump and the GOP if this tradewar goes south.

            Also something interesting:

            Only 28,000 votes were cast out of a population of 710,000 with 210,000 registered Democrats. This low voter turnout is absolutely insane even for primary elections.
            Can we even talk about a legitimate victory then?

            It is not even 4% of the population
            !

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            • #7
              Democratic socialism is an oxymoron.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by muck View Post
                Democratic socialism is an oxymoron.
                No, it's not inevitably.

                The term "democratic socialism" is sometimes used synonymously with "socialism", but the adjective "democratic" is sometimes used to distinguish democratic socialists from Marxist–Leninist inspired socialism which is viewed as being non-democratic in practice. Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and Soviet economic model, rejecting the authoritarian form of governance and highly centralized command economy that took form in the Soviet Union in the early 20th century.

                Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
                Our party SPD and their politics are an example of it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HisRoyalHighness View Post

                  She.

                  But you’re right, this can potentially boomerang right back in the faces of Trump and the GOP if this tradewar goes south.

                  Also something interesting:

                  Only 28,000 votes were cast out of a population of 710,000 with 210,000 registered Democrats. This low voter turnout is absolutely insane even for primary elections.
                  I assumed her gender, to the camps for me.

                  The allure of a nice face and free stuff.

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                  • #10
                    Congratulations to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

                    Here are the Crowley donors who lost to her:

                    Facebook, Google, Blackrock, Humana, Raytheon, Capitol One, AFLAC, Microsoft, CIGNA, TD Bank, H&R Block, Salesforce dot com, United Technology, Deloitte, Covington and Burling, Anheuser-Busch, Honeywell...
                    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/s...87379462623237

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ivan le Fou View Post

                      Can we even talk about a legitimate victory then?

                      It is not even 4% of the population
                      !
                      Why? You don't like democracy? BTW, voters in Bronx and parts of Queens had to declare their party preference 8-month in advance to participate in such a closed primary vote. Also, how many of the population are actually registered Democrats? Certainly not 1 million if you exclude those younger than 18 years and those who are not registered as Democrats.
                      Last edited by MRAPer; 27-06-2018, 03:10 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Marsch View Post

                        No, it's not inevitably.

                        Our party SPD and their politics are an example of it.
                        It is. Having a vote about it doesn't make the act of stealing any less repugnable, not least because we're wired to be selfish. A policy to steal from me and pass that which was stolen to you is likely to have your support.
                        What you're talking about is social democracy, an ideology e.g. Germany's SPD discontinued "democratic" socialism for. If put to work as intended, social democracy is about convincing me why I should share my wealth with you dirty peasants out there. Having said this, in reality social democracy often degenerates into "democratic socalism" once it is backed by a solid majority.

                        The difference between social democracy and "democratic" socialism is best illustrated by the electoral perfomance of politicians promoting the former: They're in free fall, all the while the star of the latter rises once more. That's because reason and any notion of self-responsibility aren't chic anymore; pandering to a solid entitlement mentality is the way to go.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MRAPer View Post

                          Why? You don't like democracy? BTW, voters in Bronx and parts of Queens had to declare their party preference 8-month in advance to participate in such a closed primary vote. Also, how many of the population are actually registered Democrats? Certainly not 1 million if you exclude those younger than 18 years and those who are not registered as Democrats.
                          It's New York. Living or dead, adult or youth it doesn't matter, they'll still be casting votes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HisRoyalHighness View Post




                            https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0bbb7a0e46ccd


                            Looks like the left is going even further left.

                            This is going to be an excellent opportunity for Republicans if they play their cards right for the midterms, especially considering how the DSA calls the Second Amendment a threat to all.
                            I think it's just a matter of time, like it or not, socialism in the USA is going to gain ground, no matter how much conservatives fight it. I'm not for it, but...

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                            • #15
                              Ocasio-Cortez, 28, campaigned on the abolition of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), LGBTQ rights, and impeaching President Donald Trump. "I think we have the grounds to [impeach]," she recently told a reporter.
                              http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/06/2...emocrat-pelosi

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