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  • #31
    Originally posted by primer View Post
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    Jewish ghettos. Where were they legislated into existence throughout Europe?
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    I know of at least one case - that of Venice where the law specified where Jews were to live.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by budgie View Post

      Not necessarily. Hundreds of years of discriminating against blacks and decades of mounting distrust of Hispanic immigrants. Yes it takes time.
      This is a stretch


      Wake me when a mainstream organization in the US creates something like a Judensau depicting Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, or Muslims.

      Note: I didn't include First Nation People. If there is any new world analogy to old world Nazism, it is the depiction and treatment of First Nation People.

      I agree with the comment above that genocide is part of the human condition, en masse.

      Will it ever happen again. I think it would be naive to think not.

      I fear the Left far more than the Right for embarking on ideologically motivated campaign of terror and murder.

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      • #33
        Mega Fail Thread.

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        • #34
          "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Russian: Протоколы сионских мудрецов) or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination.

          The forgery was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. According to the claims made by some of its publishers, the Protocols are the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting where Jewish leaders discussed their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies.

          Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the U.S. in the 1920s. The Nazis sometimes used the Protocols as propaganda against Jews; it was assigned by some German teachers, as if factual, to be read by German schoolchildren after the Nazis came to power in 1933,despite having been exposed as fraudulent by The Times of London in 1921. It is still widely available today in numerous languages, in print and on the Internet, and continues to be presented by some proponents as a genuine document."

          Paper never refuses ink and you cant fix stupid.

          Trying to cast Trump in the same light as Hitler comes under the later.


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          • #35
            one of my friends is from Tasmania - we discussed this one night as I had never heard of it - not on the curriculum in the UK

            The question of whether indigenous Australians were victims of genocide has caused great angst in Australian politics and culture. Wide-ranging public debates – known as the History Wars – took place throughout the country in the 1990s and early 2000s about the historical treatment of indigenous peoples, which centred on whether that treatment amounted to genocide and, crucially, what that would mean for current community relations. In Britain such debates were viewed with curiosity, a society on the other side of the world going through a process of coming to terms with its past, as if that was somehow nothing to do with us. Yet perhaps the clearest case of genocide in Australian history, which saw the destruction of the vast majority of indigenous peoples in what the British called Van Diemen’s Land (today the island state of Tasmania), largely occurred between 1804 and 1876, before that colony was awarded self-government and when it was still under direct control from London.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post

              I know of at least one case - that of Venice where the law specified where Jews were to live.
              Also Austria probably . But all through Europe Ghettos existed unenforced. Jews preferably like to live their own way. Even in the US there are Jewish neighbourhoods

              Note today EU sues Poland for not taking enough migrants. Then there is Hungary, Bulgaria and others. Also Brexit.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by primer View Post

                Also Austria probably . But all through Europe Ghettos existed unenforced. Jews preferably like to live their own way. Even in the US there are Jewish neighbourhoods

                Note today EU sues Poland for not taking enough migrants. Then there is Hungary, Bulgaria and others. Also Brexit.
                Nope. The Ghettos and other restrictions, such as onerous taxation, were strictly enforced.

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                • #38
                  Chicken before the egg debate.
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Jewry

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                  • #39
                    In Europe Jews had always been seen, considered and treated as undesirables.

                    They were made to live apart and were given the "dirtiest" jobs: jobs dealing with money. Money was, from a religious point of view, considered dirty and a direct factor to a sinful life (greed and prodigality are both considered as a capital sin).

                    Traces of ghettos can be found in old Jewish folkloric tales, in text dating back to the Moorish occupation of Spain and Sicily, etc... it wasn't by (their) choice they were kept in ghettos.

                    Lots of recent literature, from the 19the Century, depicts the social inequalities between the Jews and the rest of the population. Though the wealthy could afford not living in ghettos and enjoyed a prosperous life, antisemitism was extremely rampant and violent. Without any sort of justice to protect them. The play Professor Bernhardi is an interesting read on the subject, while Die Papieren Brucke/The Paper Bridge (though hard to find nowadays) by Ruth Beckermann gives a more contemporary approach on the subject.
                    Last edited by Ivan le Fou; 06-12-2017, 01:55 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by primer View Post
                      Chicken before the egg debate.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Jewry
                      Your Wikipedia citation does not support your claim.

                      Anyhow, Jews may have chosen to segregate into communities, for an example for convenience of an Eruv, in emerging European cities. But by the early middle ages Jews were subject to significant oppressive restrictions on trade and living quarters, etc.

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                      • #41
                        Its a case of overstaying the welcome as per link. Or do you think that was just the anomaly. We all know that money is power and influential via that and also monopolised it by their nepotistic way of doing business. We can all see it. That's how they are successful to this day.
                        They are second in wealth in US to Indians..also nepotistic
                        Do Jewish enforced neighbourhoods exist in the US?

                        Its just historical. Why throughout Europe and Russia were they persecuted in the end. It would also be extraordinary that every country also had enforced by law Ghettos.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by primer View Post
                          Its a case of overstaying the welcome as per link. Or do you think that was just the anomaly. We all know that money is power and influential via that and also monopolised it by their nepotistic way of doing business. We can all see it. That's how they are successful to this day.
                          They are second in wealth in US to Indians..also nepotistic
                          Do Jewish enforced neighbourhoods exist in the US?

                          Its just historical. Why throughout Europe and Russia were they persecuted in the end. It would also be extraordinary that every country also had enforced by law Ghettos.
                          I don't want to offend, and I don't want to jump to conclusions, but the post above reeks.

                          A case of overstaying the welcome?

                          No, it's a case of institutional anti-Semitism.

                          I assume you also don't understand how it is Jews (a small minority) were associated with money and banking during the dark and middle ages.

                          At any rate, the vast majority of Jews of the period were neither rich nor powerful; abject poverty and disenfranchisement, OTOH, are much more apt descriptions.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by primer View Post
                            Its a case of overstaying the welcome as per link. Or do you think that was just the anomaly. We all know that money is power and influential via that and also monopolised it by their nepotistic way of doing business. We can all see it. That's how they are successful to this day.
                            They are second in wealth in US to Indians..also nepotistic
                            Do Jewish enforced neighbourhoods exist in the US?

                            Its just historical. Why throughout Europe and Russia were they persecuted in the end. It would also be extraordinary that every country also had enforced by law Ghettos.
                            Is it nepotism when this is the only thing you are allowed/tolerated to do?

                            The "business" got passed from generations to generations, without any possibility of change.

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                            • #44
                              I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, bringing up the subject of the Hollacaust in vain is downright disrespectful of the dead

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                              • #45
                                Holocaust guilt is real.
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_collective_guilt

                                Non enforced ghettos are real
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

                                At a western restaurant Jewish religion requires separate cooking pots, plates and their own religious food. Similar to halal beliefs.

                                Originally posted by Ivan le Fou View Post

                                Is it nepotism when this is the only thing you are allowed/tolerated to do?

                                The "business" got passed from generations to generations, without any possibility of change.
                                As above we don't have to travel back through time to discover Jewish nepotistic business practice.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerp_diamond_district

                                The neighborhood is dominated by Jewish, Jain Indians, Maronite Christian Lebanese and Armenian dealers, known as diamantaires. More than 80% of Antwerp's Jewish population works in the diamond trade; Yiddish was, historically, a main language of the diamond exchange. No business is conducted on Saturdays.
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...Jews_in_Vienna

                                Mirrors the Normans invitation.





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