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  • Originally posted by Marsch View Post
    Jonathan: I think you should tone it down a bit. No matter what. Don't get so worked up!
    You are correct. I toned it down.

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    • Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
      You are correct. I toned it down.
      Frustrating. No matter how many times it's explained, no matter how many people explain it, no matter how many different ways it's explained, there's always the totally blank cyber stare and a "but".

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      • Originally posted by Fargin View Post
        The Hillary Clinton Russian Uranium One conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense. http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-conspiracy-theory-distraction-trump-russia-694525

        While one hand is making all kinds of wild gestures, the other hand just filled charges in the Mueller investigation.
        This article is shit. The whole exposee is in the NYT, from 2015. But nobody cared.

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        • Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
          I used to think a little higher of you, but it’s clear you have some weird problem with being completely unable to admit you were wrong. Instead of letting this go, or at least shutting up so as to not draw attention to it, you turn to blatant lying that is easily disproven by simply quoting you.

          Did you forget that you and budgie, with the understanding of IS / IT same as Al Gore, kept commenting about the field that Kiwi and I actually work in? This concerned basic things either one of you would probably understand if you took a few community college level courses on information technology... Please show me where he and I disagreed. On the other hand you kept repeating wrong things, over and over again, and having to be corrected by Kiwi and I, like:

          http://themess.net/forum/political-d...333#post291333

          Jonathan,

          Post # 25 but this is not the main point. First, please stop using Kiwi as your primary crutch for your agenda. While he may have valuable experience and expertise in the field of IT, I can easily find another IT specialist or cyber security specialist who would say otherwise, or have a judgement like mine. This is why I consistently say that current events are not black and white, but a shade of grey.

          I'm sure I don't know all the technical jargans but I dont need too. This is not the arguement. You want to claim that nobody in the U.S government knew she had a private server. That everyone from bottom top has been played, fooled, absolutely no frickin clue at all these wonderful years. It has been evil Hillary's best kept secret. Even the Obama Administration didn't know either?

          I hate to break it you Jonathan but you're extremely guilable if you believe this. I do not believe Hillary Clinton is the Virgin Mary of classified networks.. The Miraclous conception of classified emails. I have listened to plenty of expertise from the IT field, the only ways that anyone could send Hillary a classified email were either email chains later re classified or an alternative method with intent of violating U.S law, that i already explained previously. Private servers complicate the encryption process to send classified email. This is where my point comes in, there had to of been intent and receipt from others of this technical complication.

          But we hate Hillary so much that we shape our arguments, our "IT" knowledge in order to shape our emotional desire for Hillary alone to go to prison. Oh yeah, if this was a Republican who did this, you would be allot more technical on how its allot more people at fault... Aka what I'm saying.

          So sure, call me a liar or whatever because I won't believe that nooooooobody knew nuffin all those years or classified emails sent to her through non encrypted channels just randomly popped in her inbox by Martians...

          This case is an example of deceit, ignorance, failed protocol, laziness and illegal intent from everybody involved and the reason why this was all political theatre
          Last edited by J.Noah ה; 30-10-2017, 09:46 AM.

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          • Originally posted by J.Noah ה View Post
            I can easily find another IT specialist or cyber security specialist who would say otherwise, or have a judgement like mine.
            No, you can't find anyone who would disagree with anything technical that Kiwi or I said because nothing we talked about was controversial, which is why you never even tried citing anyone with a technical background who would disagree with anything technical that was said.

            What I explained to you in that thread was simple computer science principles at a community college level. Again, not a damn thing of anything technical that I explained to you was controversial. The fact you lack basic computer knowledge does not make it controversial. What statement did you precisely disagree with and why?

            Originally posted by J.Noah
            I have listened to plenty of expertise from the IT field, the only ways that anyone could send Hillary a classified email were either email chains later re classified or an alternative method with intent of violating U.S law, that i already explained previously.
            FBI Director: Clinton emails were marked classified at the time of sending
            http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ed-at-the-time

            This is just lol-worthy at this point. You're either pretending not to understand or trolling. Nobody can read the above and still claim that it is somehow ambiguous.


            Originally posted by J.Noah
            Private servers complicate the encryption process to send classified email. This is where my point comes in, there had to of been intent and receipt from others of this technical complication.
            P.S. For God's sakes, please stop referring to "encryption." You don't have the slighted idea of what the fuck it is you're even referring to. Saying "techy sounding words" does not add to your message. This has nothing to with encryption.
            Last edited by Jonathan; 30-10-2017, 10:07 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
              No, you can't find anyone who would disagree with anything technical that Kiwi or I said because nothing we talked about was controversial, which is why you never even tried citing anyone with a technical background who would disagree with anything technical that was said.

              What I explained to you in that thread was simple computer science principles at a community college level. Again, not a damn thing of anything technical that I explained to you was controversial. Nothing. What precisely do you disagree with?



              FBI Director: Clinton emails were marked classified at the time of sending
              http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ed-at-the-time

              This is just lol-worthy at this point. You're either pretending not to understand, or just wilfully ignoring something that blatantly contradicts what you're saying in black-and-white.
              Jonathan...

              Thank you for posting this article. You just happened to inadvertently contridict yourself.

              The article says that there were a small number of emails that had prior markings of classified info;

              "A very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” Comey said."

              What the article does not say is how the classified information was sent to Hillary's email address. Can you point out in the article the method used to send information? In fact, you just provided additional evidence to my arguement, that government employees willfully sent classified email to an unsecured account!

              Furthermore,

              “Even if information is not marked ‘classified’ in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it,” he said."

              Once again, your own source debunks the concept that everyone was ignorant. This was Comeys way of saying that everyone is guilty without stepping on the big Whigs toes.

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              • Originally posted by J.Noah ה View Post

                "A very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” Comey said."
                Regarding the "small number of emails." Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails when a subpoena was issued and a portion of this "small number of emails with classified markings" were a part of those 30,000 emails. I'm sure there were no other classified emails in those 30,000 that were never recovered however. Sure of it. /sarcasm

                Originally posted by J.Noah
                Once again, your own source debunks the concept that everyone was ignorant. This was Comeys way of saying that everyone is guilty without stepping on the big Whigs toes.
                "Once again" you're making shit up and confusing a bunch of different things. I said everyone was ignorant about her maintaining a private email server in her house. There is no way for anyone to know that someone is using a private email server located in their house without a court order. There is a reason why Hillary hired her own IT guy not connected in any way with the government to maintain her private email server inside of her house instead of relying on the government's IT folks, because there's not a chance in hell that government IT people would agree to this.

                Never have I claimed that nobody else is liable. If someone working within the government sent an email with classified information to Hillary from a non-SIPR system they may have committed an act of crime, just like HIllary would by storing the information. Nothing indicates that this was regular practice of other people communicating classified information to HIllary, but if someone working within the government broke the law, then they would certainly be liable. Further, Hillary, in her capacity as Secretary of State regularly dealt with classified information, even from non-governmental sources which would have no obligation to deliver it in a specific way. Her storing any classified information on her private email server would be against the law, period.

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                • Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                  Regarding the "small number of emails." Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails when a subpoena was issued and a portion of this "small number of emails with classified markings" were a part of those 30,000 emails. I'm sure there were no other classified emails in those 30,000 that were never recovered however. Sure of it. /sarcasm


                  "Once again" you're making shit up and confusing a bunch of different things. I said everyone was ignorant about her maintaining a private email server in her house. There is no way for anyone to know that someone is using a private email server located in their house without a court order. There is a reason why Hillary hired her own IT guy not connected in any way with the government to maintain her private email server inside of her house instead of relying on the government's IT folks, because there's not a chance in hell that government IT people would agree to this.

                  Never have I claimed that nobody else is liable. If someone working within the government sent an email with classified information to Hillary from a non-SIPR system they may have committed an act of crime, just like HIllary would by storing the information. Nothing indicates that this was regular practice of other people communicating classified information to HIllary, but if someone working within the government broke the law, then they would certainly be liable. Further, Hillary, in her capacity as Secretary of State regularly dealt with classified information, even from non-governmental sources which would have no obligation to deliver it in a specific way. Her storing any classified information on her private email server would be against the law, period.
                  Since all of her State Dept business was done thru her private server, case closed.

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                  • Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                    Regarding the "small number of emails." Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails when a subpoena was issued and a portion of this "small number of emails with classified markings" were a part of those 30,000 emails. I'm sure there were no other classified emails in those 30,000 that were never recovered however. Sure of it. /sarcasm
                    Yes, we have discussed this point ad nausem. It could of been 2 emails or 500,000 emails, it does dismiss the point that people sent them to her private server.


                    "Once again" you're making shit up and confusing a bunch of different things. I said everyone was ignorant about her maintaining a private email server in her house. There is no way for anyone to know that someone is using a private email server located in their house without a court order. There is a reason why Hillary hired her own IT guy not connected in any way with the government to maintain her private email server inside of her house instead of relying on the government's IT folks, because there's not a chance in hell that government IT people would agree to this.

                    Never have I claimed that nobody else is liable. If someone working within the government sent an email with classified information to Hillary from a non-SIPR system they may have committed an act of crime, just like HIllary would by storing the information. Nothing indicates that this was regular practice of other people communicating classified information to HIllary, but if someone working within the government broke the law, then they would certainly be liable. Further, Hillary, in her capacity as Secretary of State regularly dealt with classified information, even from non-governmental sources which would have no obligation to deliver it in a specific way. Her storing any classified information on her private email server would be against the law, period.
                    You're still not making a sound arguement that the U.S Government was ignorant of her private server. You are trying to emphasis the actions and logistics that Hiillay took to acquire her private server. This only highlights her culpability but you fail to apply the same logic to the other side.


                    "Never have I claimed that nobody else is liable. If someone working within the government sent an email with classified information to Hillary from a non-SIPR system they may have committed an act of crime, just like HIllary would by storing the information. Nothing indicates that this was regular practice of other people communicating classified information to HIllary, but if someone working within the government broke the law, then they would certainly be liable"

                    BS. She was the Secretary of State! Of course this was a regular practice, you are going to tell me that it was not regular pracrice for the Secretary of State to receive constant Classified documents? Especially after you just got done telling me that she deleted 30,000 additional emails!? I don't want to hear the I know IT bullocks either, people knew the methods of sending her information were illegal because the legal way was impossible. Hillary did not rig her system to the point where it fooled the whole world.

                    Sorry, not buying it and I don't think you do either. People's passionate hatred for Hillary dilutes common sense. If Trump had the private server, then people would find technical explinations to how he's not solely responsible. That's why all of this is so juvenile.

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                    • Originally posted by J.Noah ה View Post
                      If Trump had the private server, then people would find technical explinations to how he's not solely responsible. That's why all of this is so juvenile.
                      I love the fact that after that diarrhea of words, your argument is essentially that even though what Clinton did was absolutely and unequivocally unprecedented, you don’t mind because Trump would have gotten away with it had he been Secretary of State and done the same thing.

                      Well, chap, he didn’t. So your “argument” doesn’t work.

                      P.S. I get that this is the last form of “defense” people resort to when they’ve no other argument, so good luck with that one.
                      Last edited by Jonathan; 31-10-2017, 07:37 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Jonathan View Post
                        I love the fact that after that diarrhea of words, your argument is essentially that even though what Clinton did was absolutely and unequivocally unprecedented, you don’t mind because Trump would have gotten away with it had he been Secretary of State and done the same thing.

                        Well, chap, he didn’t. So your “argument” doesn’t work.

                        P.S. I get that this is the last form of “defense” people resort to when they’ve no other argument, so good luck with that one.
                        That is absolutely not my argument. You know exactly my talking points and you are struggling to prove ignorance amongst the masses.

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                        • Democrat Funded Fusion GPS Met With Russian Operative Before And After Trump Jr. Meeting

                          "The contacts shed new light on how closely tied the firm was to Russian interests, at a time when it was financing research to discredit then-candidate Donald Trump."

                          The firm that Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) hired to conduct “research” on then-candidate Donald Trump met with a Russian operative before and after she lured Donald Trump Jr. into a meeting with her.
                          Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya before and after her meeting with Trump Jr., Fox News reported.

                          http://www.dailywire.com/news/23287/...-ryan-saavedra

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                          • True to form, the Democrats are dirty as week old underwear. This is getting very interesting!!!!

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                            • I'm thrilled about this, even though it's a halfhearted distraction from the oncoming Mueller slaughter, you now at least feign interest and faux outrage in Russia's wholesale contacts with campaign members and attempt to dictate Western democratic elections.

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                              • Originally posted by Fargin View Post
                                I'm thrilled about this, even though it's a halfhearted distraction from the oncoming Mueller slaughter, you now at least feign interest and faux outrage in Russia's wholesale contacts with campaign members and attempt to dictate Western democratic elections.
                                HeeHeeHee....I think that's the funniest thing you've ever posted! "Mueller slaughter"! Now what do you base that on? Or are you talking about the Clintonistas?

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