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  • You’ve Got Fail: Investigation into Online Gun Sales Backfires on Gun Controllers

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...un-controllers

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    • https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...-before-oct-1/


      Mandalay Bay hotel staff had more than 10 interactions with Stephen Paddock in the days leading up to his Oct. 1 massacre of 58 people on the Strip, including two on the day of the shooting, MGM Resorts International said Friday.

      “Mandalay Bay staff, room service and housekeeping had contact with Paddock or entered his suite more than 10 times over the course of his stay, including the three days leading up to October 1,” an MGM Resorts spokesperson said in an email.
      MGM sent the statement in response to questions from the Review-Journal sent Dec. 28 about possible changes to company policies on entering guest rooms without consent.

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      • Hard to say this is "news", but... since there is barely nothing being reported on the subject.

        Vegas gunman's girlfriend told investigators her fingerprints would probably be on ammo; and they were

        AS VEGAS_Her fingerprints were on the ammunition. Her casino players' card was found in his room. Investigators scoured her social media accounts and emails - one of which he, Stephen Paddock, had access to. Marilou Danley may not have been present when Paddock unleashed a furious barrage of bullets down on a crowd of 20,000 at a Las Vegas country music festival, killing 58 people and wounding more than 500 others, but her links to his life seemed to be everywhere.
        The facts about Danley were among the details revealed when a U.S. District Court judge in Las Vegas unsealed more than 300 pages of search warrants and affidavits at the request of several media outlets, including the Los Angeles Times. The request was unopposed by prosecutors.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ve...ere/ar-AAuDYvo

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        • No follow-up in US MSM on this story, they are more concerned over bogus "collusion" with Russia, the mental 'well-being' of President Trump, phony 'racism', illegal aliens being treat as citizens, i.e. "Dreamers" staying illegally in my nation to attend school. (What about the dreams of American children? Care to answer that Democrat Party? Republicans?) Hhmmmm.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/u...ail.google.com

          As he meticulously planned the Las Vegas attack, the man responsible for the worst mass shooting in modern American history took elaborate steps to stymie the inevitable law enforcement investigation, according to federal court documents unsealed on Friday.

          The F.B.I. search warrants shed new light on the degree to which the gunman, Stephen Paddock, who killed 58 people and wounded more than 500 others when he opened fire on a crowd from a hotel room in October, planned the attack and prepared for the aftermath. One of the warrants described how Mr. Paddock “destroyed or tried to hide digital media devices.”

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          • Website offers yellow star patches for ‘persecuted’ gun owners

            Site's administrators explain 'similarities of current legislative attitude and the systematic persecution this star represents are uncanny'

            https://www.timesofisrael.com/websit...ed-gun-owners/

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            I think I will have to get some.

            It will no doubt piss off a lot of people, but appropriate on a number of levels.

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            • Fuck the ****ing UN

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              Beware: the United Nations is taking aim at ammo

              http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...m-at-ammo.html

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              • Don't American companies produce enough to satisfy the market there?

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                • I suspect it's the other way around Muck. That the US market keeps more than a few smaller European manufacturers in business.

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                  • Many have assembling lines in the US. FN, H&K, Zeiss, Meopta.

                    Hard to break into the market. New EU brands are like no one knows and not given a second thought by US. Took Sako years.
                    Say for example Heanel at shot show 2016, there no longer.
                    http://www.cg-haenel.de/jaeger-en/
                    Maybe not enough tactical molle stuff.

                    If you want a custom barrel, action or stock. The US is the place.

                    US have mushrooming small enterprises making mid to upper end rifles. Now that the big ones are in a race for the bottom.
                    No more set triggers and mauser actions from CZ. No more dark character in the wood.
                    American style stock has taken over. See modern Tikkas and compare to old. Though lately Tikka has been making a few with raised comb again. Because it is practical for field shooting.

                    Britain makes next to nothing now and as EU regulates guns away from ordinary people their manufacturers rely heavily on the US market...just look at all the black EU brand guns they assemble.

                    An example asked local importer for a new CZ. Model wanted was only available in the US.
                    Last edited by primer; 04-02-2018, 08:57 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by muck View Post
                      Don't American companies produce enough to satisfy the market there?
                      I don't think so. We had a .22 ammo shortage for several years after Sandy Hook, people were just full retard hoarders. Most of my ammo is Russian, ChiCom, Israeli, Prvi(Serbian?) and US. I think it was just cheaper to import.

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                      • Originally posted by riderboy View Post

                        I don't think so. We had a .22 ammo shortage for several years after Sandy Hook, people were just full retard hoarders. Most of my ammo is Russian, ChiCom, Israeli, Prvi(Serbian?) and US. I think it was just cheaper to import.
                        At what point does a careful collector become a retard hoarder?

                        Asking for a friend ya know, cuz I certainly am not hoarder.

                        BTW, I buy a lot of IMI ammunition as I figure I can then piss off the left doubly.

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                        • I am not a hoarder, just a collector ...

                          Oh yeah, I am sure glad that I don't live in Commiefornia.

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                          Will Ammunition Hoarding Resume?

                          If you’re Smart You Never Stopped

                          https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.amm...me-never-stop/

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                          • Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post

                            At what point does a careful collector become a retard hoarder?

                            Asking for a friend ya know, cuz I certainly am not hoarder.

                            BTW, I buy a lot of IMI ammunition as I figure I can then piss off the left doubly.
                            IMI is great ammo. Fantastic buyers market right now, time for all of the "collectors" to stock up!!

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                            • There’s always a lot of emotion after a horrific school shooting, and that’s completely understandable. There is also an immediate push for vague “do-something” gun-control legislation often wholly untethered from the incidents it is purporting to stop, which is less understandable. Worse, most of these efforts are bolstered by falsehoods and half-truths that make it virtually impossible to have a genuine discussion about the problem.

                              https://thefederalist.com/2018/02/16...ng-about-them/

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                              • Originally posted by MadStyleCow View Post
                                I think rather than regulate the sales, you should probably look into the mental health of the owners of firearms (and cars too!). The problem here, however is how to establish what is mentally healthy.
                                Wanting to kill lots of humans for no good reason is pretty clear sign of something being out of order in the brain.
                                Thing is that these people are likely in a pretty bad shape otherwise and won't be seeking help from a expensive specialists unless arranged by relatives.
                                Dealing with this pre-emptively to some extent would mean more taxes, it won't work 100% nor would the needed workforce just suddenly appear.

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