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  • Is Real Change Coming to Iran? Get Ready for March 15, 2017

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    Zoroastrianism was the official religion of the Sassanid Persian Empire, vanquished and destroyed in the 7th century Islamic-Arab conquest. The Arabs forced most of the Zoroastrian believers to accept Islam, and punished whoever stayed loyal to his original religion by death. Despite that persecution, or because of it, many of today’s Iranians are Zoroastrians who pretend to be Muslims. No one has any idea who is a secret Zoroastrian and who is an authentic Muslim, because everyone identifies himself as Muslim, knows how to pray and is familiar with the laws and customs of Islam.
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    On Wednesday, March 15, 2017, the Zoroastrian holiday of Chahar Shanbeh Soori will occur. Zoroastrians all over Iran are planning a “Freedom Holiday” for that date, intending to burst out into the streets in an attempt to overthrow the Ayatollah regime If they are able to get rid of their Muslim rulers, they intend to bring the Shah’s son, at present in exile in Europe, back to Iran to assume the leadership of the country like his father, who was deposed at the end of 1978.

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    I do not recommend holding one’s breath in anticipation of the success of Iranian Zoroastrians, because it is not entirely clear that they are seriously planning action against the hated government – and even if they do go out to the streets, it is not at all sure they will succeed in getting the Ayatollahs to board those waiting planes out of the country. Success depends on a great many factors whose actions on that fateful day are hard to predict.

    Still, taking into account the determination of the organizers, I have a reasonable basis for expecting them to carry out their plans in and around the middle of March. I send them my wishes for success from this podium. Israel will be only too pleased to return to the days of its good relations with Iran – the days before the Islamist revolution destroyed the Shah’s regime towards the end of 1978.
    Read more here:
    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/8...kPOMAjy1DFu.97

    Too good to believe anything actually will come out of it, but still, fascinating.

  • #2
    That sounds really dubious.
    Weekly World News in Israeli?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JCR View Post
      That sounds really dubious.
      Weekly World News in Israeli?
      Not sure what are you asking.

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      • #4
        That headline would be valid if we'd have the year 1200 or something.
        Zoroastrians are probably around 60.000 in all of Iran, according to optimistic estimates.
        While no longer actively prosecuted, Worshippers of Ahuramazda are a miniscule minority.
        Kurds are flirting with that religion in Iraq, but in Iran it is not relevent at all.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JCR View Post
          That headline would be valid if we'd have the year 1200 or something.
          Zoroastrians are probably around 60.000 in all of Iran, according to optimistic estimates.
          While no longer actively prosecuted, Worshippers of Ahuramazda are a miniscule minority.
          Kurds are flirting with that religion in Iraq, but in Iran it is not relevent at all.
          I trust your expertise, but somehow I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote this article has a bit better idea, than most. Look him up.

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          • #6
            lol yeah, revolution of the secret Zoroastrians, in the country that had the first revolution to found a modern Islamic state. Go sell someone a bridge to nowhere, author.

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            • #7
              You fools laugh now but those Zoroastrians will kick your ass. Unless you're 300 Spartans

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              • #8
                The remnants of an antique would be Zoroastrian Fire Temple lies less than 10 miles from my house, yes, here in rural nowhere AZ.

                Anywho ... Whatever happens, better for the protesters that Obama will not be in office.

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                • #9
                  I seriously doubt it.

                  Only a fraction of the adherents that were actively involved in the two waves of Twitter/Green Revolution protests easily defeated by the IRGC 5+ years ago.

                  Although it's worth mentioning that the Iranian Rial has collapsed approx 75% against the USD since those protests.

                  Good for Iranian exporters, but horrible for importers,

                  Cash freed up due to sanction relief would go a long way in helping bolster any angry internal dissent.

                  It would be nice if the Iranian regime had a very serious non-violent revolution to contend with, but it doesn't look like conditions are ripe for change.

                  IRGC is too entrenched, strong, wealthy.
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                  Unlike 5+ years ago, it would need to incorporate the conservative blue collar workers/masses who didn't get behind the narrow slice of middle class/educated actively pushing the Green Revolution.

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                  • #10
                    I am with you, Flagg. Unless The Zoroastrian movement is very very large and had managed to escape detection. The IRGC and friends are very powerful. More than half of them would have to be a part of the Zoroastrian movement. We can only hope.

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                    • #11
                      Heraclius you only had one job to do.........

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                      • #12
                        Zoroastrians are a dying community even without religious persecution.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by twinblade View Post
                          Zoroastrians are a dying community even without religious persecution.
                          More in India than in Iran though.

                          The author is both right and wrong. Yes, Zoroastrianism has a special place among many Iranians, including those who are (officially) muslim. Most celebrated festivities in Iran are of Zoroastrian origin, such as Norooz (new year), Chaharshanbe Soori and Shabe-e Yalda (longest night of the year), and all these festivities are being celebrated by both muslims and non-muslims. There is a trend though of Iranians leaving Islam, at least spiritually. This has been obersved by clerics as well:



                          But the majority of Iranians leaving Islam for Zoroastrianism don't do it officially (fear of prosecution and punishment), and don't seem to really have a theological understanding of Zoroastrianism. It is much more a cultural conversion than truly a religious one; much more out of hatred for Islam, which these people see as a uniquely Arab religion.

                          Also, two months ago thousands of Iranians gathered at the tomb of Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian empire, and chanted all kinds of anti-Arab and anti-clerical slogans. This tremendously shocked the government and influential clerics, who publicly rejected the gathering.



                          All this pretty much shows that the clerics have lost the new generations of Iranians. Iran's strict religious laws have alienated most of the youth, and this has resulted in people either leaving religion all together or seeking a religious alternative in Zoroastrianism or Christianity. This trend will only continue as long as the ruling elite doesn't adjust, and even then it begs the question whether they could truly stop this development.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by breki View Post
                            You fools laugh now but those Zoroastrians will kick your ass. Unless you're 300 Spartans
                            The 300 Spartans lost though...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
                              lol yeah, revolution of the secret Zoroastrians, in the country that had the first revolution to found a modern Islamic state. Go sell someone a bridge to nowhere, author.
                              The Iranian revolution wasn't a uniquely Islamic revolution though. Quite some political ideologies and currents were involved in it, and those who thought that they could work something out with the Islamists in order to depose the Shah quickly found out that their Islamist partners had ulterior motives.

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