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  • President-elect Donald Trump said for the first time Wednesday he believes Russia was responsible for hacking ahead of the election but contemptuously rejected allegations that Moscow mounted a campaign to compromise him.
    Make up your mind Donald.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/11/po...hts/index.html

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    • Who said earlier that buzzfeed had learned its lessons about fake news and such?

      Alt-Right Trolls Are Trying To Trick People Into Thinking Trump Dossier Was A 4chan Prank

      Trump supporters are spreading misinformation about a dossier that was released by BuzzFeed News Tuesday full of unverified allegations against President-elect Donald Trump.
      https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...e2#.uqEJLkm120

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      • Originally posted by Marsch View Post
        Please inform yourself before you start to post BS. The White House Correspondents Dinners were since decades something comedians were invited to. It since ages a meeting were the president gets mocked and in this case also jokes around a bit himself.
        Either only comedians are allowed to joke (like a court jester) or everyone. Don't make it a arbitrary case by case thing.
        Next you'll expect everyone to say "triggerwarning" before you say something that someone could somewhere find offensive?


        Originally posted by Marsch View Post
        If he foremost wants to entertain he maybe should have looked for a job in Hollywood and not in the capital. Besides that it wasn't joking, really. That's simply because it's not funny at all to make fun of handicapped people.
        It's his business and the voter's business. Besides that, if you don't find something funny, don't laugh. It's that easy. We don't need moral police telling people what they can or can't joke about.


        Originally posted by Marsch View Post
        Especially not in this way and with such a broad audience having to witness it.
        As said you obviously have a problem with your moral integrity if you're defending this action. I actually expected a little more common sense from you.
        Well, at least we've gotten your "you simply don't understand the brilliance of my point of view" theory out of the way, haven't we? We make progress. Maybe we'll arrive at a point next where you give me actual arguments why your personal opinion is something one either agrees with or lacks moral integrity.

        Originally posted by Marsch View Post
        My outrage isn't faked but then I'm not outraged that much because it's a behaviour I expect from somebody with no social competence and manners. My personal feelings weren't hurt at all.
        So basically you're white knighting. We don't know if the reporter was even offended, but let's all be offended in his stead.

        Originally posted by Marsch View Post
        I'm just questioning if somebody that allows himself such things is fit to become president of such an important country. What expectations are you talking about? I don't expect much from Trump but I'm quite sure the USA will be an even bigger mess if he finally has left the office.
        That's for his voters to decide, preferably after he's actually done something. Your expectations of how a politician has to act. Yes, he doesn't act like your average western career politician. That's because he isn't one. That's possibly one of the reasons he was elected.

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        • Originally posted by Xaito View Post
          Either only comedians are allowed to joke (like a court jester) or everyone. Don't make it a arbitrary case by case thing.
          Next you'll expect everyone to say "triggerwarning" before you say something that someone could somewhere find offensive?
          You simply don't get it and I really don't know what I can say to make you understand. A comedian can by default say things and has much more leeway than a politician. Remember that Böhmermann case?

          It's his business and the voter's business. Besides that, if you don't find something funny, don't laugh. It's that easy. We don't need moral police telling people what they can or can't joke about.
          What? Entertainment is the business of the POTUS and his voters? Where I'm from there's something like a general consensus existing what you can and what you can't do. Insulting handicapped people is something that's frowned up on. At least in circles with a certain minimum level of education and respect for other people.

          Well, at least we've gotten your "you simply don't understand the brilliance of my point of view" theory out of the way, haven't we? We make progress. Maybe we'll arrive at a point next where you give me actual arguments why your personal opinion is something one either agrees with or lacks moral integrity.
          That's not only my opinion but the one of basically every person with common sense as far as I know.

          So basically you're white knighting. We don't know if the reporter was even offended, but let's all be offended in his stead.
          I don't know if he actually felt offended but that is a bit irrelevant because Trump was doing it in public for everybody to see and take note. Like said it's simply a sign that this guy has no manners and doesn't knows how to behave and act correctly. Which is quite bad for somebody in his position. Don't you think?

          That's for his voters to decide, preferably after he's actually done something. Your expectations of how a politician has to act. Yes, he doesn't act like your average western career politician. That's because he isn't one. That's possibly one of the reasons he was elected.
          Nah, that's for everybody to decide. Yes, there are certain expectations when it comes to politicians and their actions. How strange, eh? This will turn out to be his biggest flaw. He simply has no clue what he's stepping into and how to run this. That's why he's very prone to fail.

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          • Trump asks vaccine critic to chair committee on vaccine safety.

            Robert Kennedy Jr., backer of debunked ideas, joins Trump administration.
            Here : http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/201...accine-safety/

            Cool !!! I am looking forward Trump naming someone believing earth was created 6000 years ago and that earth is flat.

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            • Originally posted by Bitogno View Post

              Here : http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/201...accine-safety/

              Cool !!! I am looking forward Trump naming someone believing earth was created 6000 years ago and that earth is flat.
              Perhaps you should reserve your sarcasm until after you have done a bit of research into the merits of injecting babies with very limited immune systems with all kinds of nasty stuff including mercury and aluminium. Then compare the difference between natural as opposed to manufactured immunity.

              A few of his appointments show that Trump seems to have a healthy scepticism about the morals of big business and their sophisticated ability to scalp the people of the US. The banks may or may not be included (given his GS people) but defence/pharmaceutical/motor are certainly in his sights. If it becomes clear as time goes on that he really is intent on changing things he is going to be up against vast amounts of embedded power with unlimited funds. A very brave, or foolhardy, man maybe but we should all wish him good fortune.

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              • Originally posted by Xaito View Post
                Either only comedians are allowed to joke (like a court jester) or everyone. Don't make it a arbitrary case by case thing.
                Next you'll expect everyone to say "triggerwarning" before you say something that someone could somewhere find offensive?



                It's his business and the voter's business. Besides that, if you don't find something funny, don't laugh. It's that easy. We don't need moral police telling people what they can or can't joke about.



                Well, at least we've gotten your "you simply don't understand the brilliance of my point of view" theory out of the way, haven't we? We make progress. Maybe we'll arrive at a point next where you give me actual arguments why your personal opinion is something one either agrees with or lacks moral integrity.


                So basically you're white knighting. We don't know if the reporter was even offended, but let's all be offended in his stead.


                That's for his voters to decide, preferably after he's actually done something. Your expectations of how a politician has to act. Yes, he doesn't act like your average western career politician. That's because he isn't one. That's possibly one of the reasons he was elected.
                Well said sir.

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                • Marco Rubio though a smart guy was a big PRICK in his grilling of Tillerson yestetday. Shame on Rubio the young piss ant.

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                  • I think this is great. For some of my colleagues on other gun forums, Trump's performance was lauded as near heroic. If you don't understand that, you don't understand why he won. For too long guys like Bush, McCain, Romney sat on their hands while they've been attacked and lied about by the press. The left is just buttsore not only because they lost, but also because the press seems paralyzed to intimidate and bully him like they did everyone else they didn't like. I assure you, for every Sarah Palin there's a Joe Biden who gets a complete pass from the MSM. Like him or not, Trump will be the President so, get used to it.


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                    • Originally posted by riderboy View Post
                      I think this is great. For some of my colleagues on other gun forums, Trump's performance was lauded as near heroic. If you don't understand that, you don't understand why he won. For too long guys like Bush, McCain, Romney sat on their hands while they've been attacked and lied about by the press. The left is just buttsore not only because they lost, but also because the press seems paralyzed to intimidate and bully him like they did everyone else they didn't like. I assure you, for every Sarah Palin there's a Joe Biden who gets a complete pass from the MSM. Like him or not, Trump will be the President so, get used to it.
                      They seem to have lost some energy though.

                      The days and weeks following the elections they were in full hysterical-mode. Screaming, screeching, crying, running everywhere while waving their arms above their heads. "Abandon ship! Abandon ship! We are all going to die! The humanity!"
                      Their attacks were heinous, pathetic and vile; their arguments were heinous, pathetic and vile. They still are, but more and more are slowly starting to realize they have lost and there is nothing they can do about it.

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                      • Originally posted by Ivan le Fou View Post

                        They seem to have lost some energy though.

                        The days and weeks following the elections they were in full hysterical-mode. Screaming, screeching, crying, running everywhere while waving their arms above their heads. "Abandon ship! Abandon ship! We are all going to die! The humanity!"
                        Their attacks were heinous, pathetic and vile; their arguments were heinous, pathetic and vile. They still are, but more and more are slowly starting to realize they have lost and there is nothing they can do about it.
                        No doubt they'll do all they can to oppose him, which is their job as an opposition party. Trump is demanding a level playing field, and perhaps something close to honest and fair reporting. Isn't that their freaking job? He was angry yesterday not only at the media, but that a US intelligence agency leaked information to the press about a President -elect. Not cool, not cool at all. So he blistered them, and they can't handle criticism or seem to understand that no one died and left the MSM as the boss of the people. One might think, that if someone had spent 5 minutes talking to Michael Cohen, the obvious flaws in this latest fake news story would have been revealed but apparently no one did. Just another unbelievably embarrassing and biased blot on their record. Particularly CNN. Their history of cheating, dishonesty and bias (8th largest financial donor to Hillary's campaign) is off the charts.


                        UK Daily Mail columnist Katie Hopkins went on CNN and TRASHED their biased anti-Trump reporting:
                        Katie Hopkins: I think he’s going to win. I think you guys are in for a big surprise which I am quite excited about. I think we have seen a very similar thing here in the UK with Brexit. We saw a lot of the liberal press kind of sneering at Brexiteers. We see a lot of the sneering that we’re seeing from the Clinton News Network.
                        CNN host: That’s CNN, you’re calling us the Clinton News Network.
                        Katie Hopkins: That’s exactly correct.
                        CNN host: Why?…
                        Katie Hopkins: I will say having sat in the Republican convention and having watched your coverage, it is completely biased. And I think Trump is doing a great job. And I think what we saw from him today over… You’ll also find polls that find 70% of individuals find Clinton to be utterly distasteful. I find her abhorrent to look at. Her little smile there does nothing for me.
                        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...otally-biased/

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                        • Originally posted by Marsch View Post

                          So, in short the majority of the presidents in the last hundred years were crap?

                          Not sure about that LBJ thing but this was in 1964 were segregation and outright racism was still common. Still nothing to take lightly but different times you know. That Nixon was more of a gangster than a politician is nothing new and his racism neither but we're not discussing about presidents from the last century here, right?



                          Sorry, but I don't get you. Are you trying to say that this is presented out of context or outright faked?

                          Besides that a little hint from the sideline. Please stop calling everything you don't like socialist, communist or terrorist just to give it a more dramatic undertone or spin. You're not doing yourself a favor with using these terms in such situations.
                          Yes, they took it out of context. And don't be so German. Why so serious?

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                          • Originally posted by JohninMK View Post
                            Perhaps you should reserve your sarcasm until after you have done a bit of research into the merits of injecting babies with very limited immune systems with all kinds of nasty stuff including mercury and aluminium. Then compare the difference between natural as opposed to manufactured immunity.
                            This is off-topic, but you can't be serious.

                            I'm not in the mood to discuss this, primarily because what you wrote relates to fringe pseudoscience and paranoid housewife "knowledge".

                            Have fun spotting chemtrails in the sky as well.

                            EDIT: The easiest give-away is your mercury comment. This is texbook ignorance on the quantity and reasoning for certain substances in some vaccines, Alex Jones may not have written about it, but there are a million sources online explaining this, there's absolutely 0 reason to believe this mercury scare in all seriousness.

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                            • Originally posted by OrangeWolf View Post

                              This is off-topic, but you can't be serious.

                              I'm not in the mood to discuss this, primarily because what you wrote relates to fringe pseudoscience and paranoid housewife "knowledge".

                              Have fun spotting chemtrails in the sky as well.

                              EDIT: The easiest give-away is your mercury comment. This is texbook ignorance on the quantity and reasoning for certain substances in some vaccines, Alex Jones may not have written about it, but there are a million sources online explaining this, there's absolutely 0 reason to believe this mercury scare in all seriousness.
                              Perhaps you should not have put your trite hostage to fortune comment out then. I am fully aware of the reason/dosage of thimerosal in vaccines and also that it has been reduced to a minimum.

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                              • Originally posted by Marsch View Post
                                You simply don't get it and I really don't know what I can say to make you understand. A comedian can by default say things and has much more leeway than a politician. Remember that Böhmermann case?
                                Böhmermann is a comedian, he's got a legal case on his hands for a joke now. Politicians getting away with "Schlitzohren und Schlitzaugen"... good example.

                                Originally posted by Marsch View Post
                                What? Entertainment is the business of the POTUS and his voters? Where I'm from there's something like a general consensus existing what you can and what you can't do. Insulting handicapped people is something that's frowned up on. At least in circles with a certain minimum level of education and respect for other people.
                                If his voters are OK with him, it's their business. It's not like he's started being flamboyant after he got elected, he was elected because or despite of that. What you, or educated people frown upon is of secondary importance. Also you're not the spokesperson for educated people, we don't have a hive mind, there is a pluralism of opinions out there, something media and their unquestioning followers tend to forget these days. Then there's a big surprise that almost half of the college educated people voted for Trump despite all predictions that only dumb, old, poor white men would vote for him. Similar "surprises" in other demographic and ethnic groups.
                                Here's the deal: insulting anybody is frowned upon. Trump didn't insult anyone - at worst he monkeying around and mocking someone - something that isn't that uncommon in this day and age. If you make jokes in poor taste at work, your boss will decide if he'll reprimand you for it. For Trump it's the voters, not the professional victims.


                                Originally posted by Marsch View Post
                                That's not only my opinion but the one of basically every person with common sense as far as I know.
                                They probably just avoid talking openly with you since they know they'll get a sermon about moral integrity.

                                Originally posted by Marsch View Post
                                I don't know if he actually felt offended but that is a bit irrelevant because Trump was doing it in public for everybody to see and take note. Like said it's simply a sign that this guy has no manners and doesn't knows how to behave and act correctly. Which is quite bad for somebody in his position. Don't you think?
                                I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand my idea of a good representative would be professional and have good manners, but at the end of the day actions would be more important than that - and we still have to wait to decide if he'll fail to deliver on his promises. Right now I kind of admire Trumps complete disregard for manners because it gets such a wonderful rise out of the overly political correct people. It's very refreshing to see someone dare to speak openly, unfiltered and non-conforming to the increasingly more stifling and self-policing public society and media AND succeed despite their coordinated efforts to smear him for it on every turn. At the end of the day you're not really offended, the actors aren't really offended and probably the reporter isn't really offended - but many people really want to make a scandal and drama out of anything, because Trump's the declared enemy and any means to bring him down are apparently acceptable now. That's more worrying than Trump's bad manners IMO and more damaging.

                                Originally posted by Marsch View Post
                                Nah, that's for everybody to decide. Yes, there are certain expectations when it comes to politicians and their actions. How strange, eh? This will turn out to be his biggest flaw. He simply has no clue what he's stepping into and how to run this. That's why he's very prone to fail.
                                Decide away. I don't mind disagreeing. Just don't slip on all that oozing and overflowing moral integrity of yours.

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