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  • Originally posted by blackcatnursery View Post

    Corbyn's ex wives have done a hatchet job on him in the Daily Fail as well from what I can see of the Sunday headlines - not good with money.........
    not surprising he did shag Diane Abbott **boak** and neither is she good with money or figures they were well paired

    The only thing Labour are good at is spending our money and money we don't have ... he was going to privatise everything until someone done his figures for him and he did his usual he back tracked ... i don't have a problem with socialism and protecting workers rights and conditions ... but the fairness has to work both ways ..... it's champagne socialists like Corbyn and Galloway i can't stand both are hypocrites and terrorist lovers ... i've always believed the best way forward is a combination of capitalism and socialism it's like life you need a balance ... without making profits you cannot invest in new technology and better conditions and wages for the employees

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    • Soo prime minister is about to ask for more time. Meanwhile mp accuse her of trying to force choice between her deal or no deal by making vote at last minute.

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      • Originally posted by Asheren View Post
        Soo prime minister is about to ask for more time. Meanwhile mp accuse her of trying to force choice between her deal or no deal by making vote at last minute.


        she is not guaranteed to be given more time by the EU and it would be a massive loss of face nevermind spark a rebellion in here party by the ERG and the other pro brexit MPs

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        • Originally posted by Tizer View Post



          she is not guaranteed to be given more time by the EU and it would be a massive loss of face nevermind spark a rebellion in here party by the ERG and the other pro brexit MPs
          She wants more time before vote not to extend deadline.

          Looking at it seems UK PM fractured and each clique is trying to leverage hard Brexit but none has enough mp to tip vote.

          Meanwhile the Brexit chaos already started. There is big fustercluck in shipping. UK has forgotten about tiny little detail that sailing teakes time. Ships that have to sail out now dont have a bloodiest clue what shipping documents they need, what kind of procedures they will be subjected on arrival to destination.

          While at Tusk latest poll shows that he had one percent less potential votes in presidential election than Duda.
          Last edited by Asheren; 10-02-2019, 03:02 AM.

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          • Originally posted by blackcatnursery View Post

            Corbyn's ex wives have done a hatchet job on him in the Daily Fail as well from what I can see of the Sunday headlines - not good with money.........
            I have had a read blackcat and I did laugh afterwards . No , council tax up another 4.49% this year due to austerity , 0.01% off needing a vote . The threshold for a vote used to be lower but with the Tories sticking adult social care on said bill that threshold is now much higher . I think that will be the main focus points next election , not Corbyn s alleged sex life .

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            • Originally posted by bfc1001 View Post

              I have had a read blackcat and I did laugh afterwards . No , council tax up another 4.49% this year due to austerity , 0.01% off needing a vote . The threshold for a vote used to be lower but with the Tories sticking adult social care on said bill that threshold is now much higher . I think that will be the main focus points next election , not Corbyn s alleged sex life .
              3.99% in my area and I expected it to be 4.99%. Live in a Tory controlled area.

              The 2% extra for adult care is a drop in the ocean especially when the cut in central government grant is more than that

              Government were supposed to be publishing the 2nd green paper on care funding last summer - then put off till autumn - then xmas and now next summer. The last one had the care cap in and to be honest it was totally unworkable. I used to support one of the very large computer systems a lot of councils use for adult care funding and so I still have a number of contacts and they said it was totally unworkable in its original form and they would need 2-3 times the staff to administer as you would have to record and monitor everyone who had any form of care.

              Moneys has got to come from somewhere and you either reduce benefits - increase taxes or scrap foreign aid

              I think we should scrap all foreign aid - and get rid of the department that deal with it - reduce taxes which stimulates the economy and increases the tax yield. Also cut VAT once we are out of the EU.

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              • Originally posted by blackcatnursery View Post

                3.99% in my area and I expected it to be 4.99%. Live in a Tory controlled area.

                The 2% extra for adult care is a drop in the ocean especially when the cut in central government grant is more than that

                Government were supposed to be publishing the 2nd green paper on care funding last summer - then put off till autumn - then xmas and now next summer. The last one had the care cap in and to be honest it was totally unworkable. I used to support one of the very large computer systems a lot of councils use for adult care funding and so I still have a number of contacts and they said it was totally unworkable in its original form and they would need 2-3 times the staff to administer as you would have to record and monitor everyone who had any form of care.

                Moneys has got to come from somewhere and you either reduce benefits - increase taxes or scrap foreign aid

                I think we should scrap all foreign aid - and get rid of the department that deal with it - reduce taxes which stimulates the economy and increases the tax yield. Also cut VAT once we are out of the EU.
                I'd agree with you on many points in your post , especially VAT . Osborne's 2.5% rise cost us about 10% of our workforce through redundancies . Trying to take raw products , add value then sell on is made much harder with high VAT . A counter productive rise if I ever saw one . The same can be said of the military . Many were thrown under the bus post 2010 to save money but long term

                https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-auditors-find

                It hasn't worked . We had the skills already and decided to discard . Now we have to re train at great cost , that's if they can actually find anyone to join . Personally I will vote against the Tories simply because the good ones are stuck on the back benches while the bad ones are sadly stuck leading us . As for labour , I understand people's reluctance . Tony Blair for starters not that I ever voted for him . The one policy I do like of labours though is the 250 billion credit facility via a national bank . Instead of doing 450 billion of QE and giving that money to banks who effectively have lent it to car finance companies for example , lend to local communities direct to allow them to build infrastructure to help people make money .

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                • Originally posted by bfc1001 View Post

                  I'd agree with you on many points in your post , especially VAT . Osborne's 2.5% rise cost us about 10% of our workforce through redundancies . Trying to take raw products , add value then sell on is made much harder with high VAT . A counter productive rise if I ever saw one . The same can be said of the military . Many were thrown under the bus post 2010 to save money but long term

                  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-auditors-find

                  It hasn't worked . We had the skills already and decided to discard . Now we have to re train at great cost , that's if they can actually find anyone to join . Personally I will vote against the Tories simply because the good ones are stuck on the back benches while the bad ones are sadly stuck leading us . As for labour , I understand people's reluctance . Tony Blair for starters not that I ever voted for him . The one policy I do like of labours though is the 250 billion credit facility via a national bank . Instead of doing 450 billion of QE and giving that money to banks who effectively have lent it to car finance companies for example , lend to local communities direct to allow them to build infrastructure to help people make money .
                  You will need that kind of scheme to replace EU infrastructure one. Tho 250 might not be enough.

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                  • Guide to how Brexit Happen.

                    LEAVER: I want an omelette.

                    REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.
                    LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]
                    REMAINER: They’re in the cake.
                    LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.
                    REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.
                    LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.
                    REMAINER: Icing is good.
                    LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.
                    DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.
                    DAVID CAMERON: OK.
                    DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.
                    LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?
                    REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.
                    LEAVER: Well, get them out.
                    EU: It’s our cake.
                    JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.
                    REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?
                    LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.
                    REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?
                    LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.
                    THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.
                    REMAINER: How?
                    THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.
                    REMAINER: Yeah, but…
                    LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.
                    EU: It’s our cake.
                    REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.
                    LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.
                    REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.
                    LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.
                    REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?
                    LEAVER: You lost, get over it.
                    THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.
                    REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?
                    THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.
                    REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?
                    JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.
                    EU: It’s our cake.
                    LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.
                    REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.
                    LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.
                    REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.
                    LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.

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                    • Originally posted by Asheren View Post
                      Guide to how Brexit Happen.

                      LEAVER: I want an omelette.

                      REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.
                      LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]
                      REMAINER: They’re in the cake.
                      LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.
                      REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.
                      LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.
                      REMAINER: Icing is good.
                      LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.
                      DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.
                      DAVID CAMERON: OK.
                      DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.
                      LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?
                      REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.
                      LEAVER: Well, get them out.
                      EU: It’s our cake.
                      JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.
                      REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?
                      LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.
                      REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?
                      LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.
                      THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.
                      REMAINER: How?
                      THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.
                      REMAINER: Yeah, but…
                      LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.
                      EU: It’s our cake.
                      REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.
                      LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.
                      REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.
                      LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.
                      REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?
                      LEAVER: You lost, get over it.
                      THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.
                      REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?
                      THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.
                      REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?
                      JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.
                      EU: It’s our cake.
                      LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.
                      REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.
                      LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.
                      REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.
                      LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.
                      Ok , let's play a game asheren . Let's pretend the UK never joined the EEC and are about to hold a vote whether to join the now EU . What's the benefits ? How will the EU enrich the UK because to be frank I ain't seeing it .

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                      • Or in other words to how the EU made people loath it so much they were prepared to leave even with consequences:

                        Leavers: We are tired of handing over ever more powers to the unaccountable bureaucrats of the EU.

                        EU: Nonsense, we're not doing that at all.

                        Meanwhile:

                        Guy Verhofstadt (Brexit coordinator for the European Parliament): YELLS "Why are European states failing to hand over more sovereignty to Brussels"

                        Jean-Claude Juncker (through drunken slurred words): We sometimes have to lie, and it would not be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to the fact that the EU demands greater and greater transfers of sovereignty from nation states.

                        EU Justice Commissar Vera Jourova: Criticising the EU is hate-speech

                        etc. etc. etc.




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                        • You got sources on them Kiwi? I'm astounded I haven't heard them before.

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                          • Originally posted by Corrupt View Post
                            You got sources on them Kiwi? I'm astounded I haven't heard them before.
                            You probably have but it was so long ago you have forgotten.
                            Guy Verhofstadt said that back in 2011 during a debate on the Greek financial crisis, junker around the time of the Lisbon treaty. Both of them are firm federalists.

                            The hate speech thing I can't remember hearing either.

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                            • Originally posted by Sniffit View Post
                              You probably have but it was so long ago you have forgotten.
                              Guy Verhofstadt said that back in 2011 during a debate on the Greek financial crisis, junker around the time of the Lisbon treaty. Both of them are firm federalists.

                              The hate speech thing I can't remember hearing either.

                              Yeah the Juncker one I vaguely recall, the Verhofstadt one not so much.

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                              • Originally posted by Corrupt View Post


                                Yeah the Juncker one I vaguely recall, the Verhofstadt one not so much.
                                To be fair to Verhofstadt, the Greeks and other sourhern Europeans would probably benefit from surrendering some sovereignty to the north 😂

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