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  • World of Warships. Unlocked the Prinz Eitel Friedrich a couple of days ago. This is basically a what-if kind of ship: What if Imperial Germany had built the Mackensens to completion, and those ships survived into World War 2, during which those wacky notzees stuck a bunch of modern dual-role secondaries on them? You get a tier 6 battleship that does 28 kts stock, and very good AA/secondary battery if you spec into it. Sounds good, doesn't it? Unfortunately, the PEF has been a bit uneven for me so far, which is partially down to WOWS simply not having a battlecruiser category and the meta moving away from secondary-focused builds, and even AA builds (this might change once the carrier rework finally hits) and partially due to the guns being hit and miss and the ship being kinda fragile as a battleship compared to many ships she faces in her matchmaking bracket.

    On the plus side, she is -IMO- a pretty good looking boat:


    Last edited by RSone; 22-01-2019, 09:02 AM.

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    • Originally posted by RSone View Post
      World of Warships. Unlocked the Prinz Eitel Friedrich a couple of days ago. This is basically a what-if kind of ship: What if Imperial Germany had built the Mackensens to completion, and those ships survived into World War 2, during which those wacky notzees stuck a bunch of modern dual-role secondaries on them? You get a tier 6 battleship that does 28 kts stock, and very good AA/secondary battery if you spec into it. Sounds good, doesn't it? Unfortunately, the PEF has been a bit uneven for me so far, which is partially down to WOWS simply not having a battlecruiser category and the meta moving away from secondary-focused builds, and even AA builds (this might change once the carrier rework finally hits) and partially due to the guns being hit and miss and the ship being kinda fragile as a battleship compared to many ships she faces in her matchmaking bracket.
      Welcome to superior German FCS not... soo far my record is on Gienesau with 12 volleys in a row landing right on top of enemy ship just on both sides of it.

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      • Gneisenau took over 70 rounds of 11" to sink one small (less than 2000 tons) freighter during the 1941 Atlantic raid.

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        • Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
          Gneisenau took over 70 rounds of 11" to sink one small (less than 2000 tons) freighter during the 1941 Atlantic raid.
          Any similiar WW2 ship during that time would not have any better results.

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          • RN took just 3 minutes to sink three Italian heavy cruisers in the Battle of Cape Matapan. Two destroyers as well in less than five. The IJN did equally well during the nighttime battles off Guadalcanal.

            So yes, other WW2 ships did much better.

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            • Originally posted by Asheren View Post

              Welcome to superior German FCS not... soo far my record is on Gienesau with 12 volleys in a row landing right on top of enemy ship just on both sides of it.
              I probably should have made a distinction between the guns and the rounds; the guns are actually pretty accurate, featuring tight dispersion especially for German big calibre guns, but the round (both AP and HE) just isn't very good, apparently: AP lacks penetration, especially toward the edge of its range, and HE doesn't do a whole lot of damage. IIRC this was nerfed to some degree in comparison with the ship's stats during testing.

              Gneis/Scharn are best played as brawlers and opportunistic tacklers and cruiser hunters. At close range, the relative lack of accuracy is mitigated, and your speed allows you to run things down. Gneisenau with the power plant upgrade is especially good at this, because it's just much faster than most other battleships in its mm spread, even keeping up with many cruisers.
              Last edited by RSone; 22-01-2019, 01:33 PM.

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              • Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
                RN took just 3 minutes to sink three Italian heavy cruisers in the Battle of Cape Matapan. Two destroyers as well in less than five. The IJN did equally well during the nighttime battles off Guadalcanal.

                So yes, other WW2 ships did much better.
                You compare battles fought in completly different conditions by fleets. In practical terms WW2 battleships could not reach consistent accuracy above 10% even with radar controled fire.

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                • Originally posted by RSone View Post

                  I probably should have made a distinction between the guns and the rounds; the guns are actually pretty accurate, featuring tight dispersion especially for German big calibre guns, but the round (both AP and HE) just isn't very good, apparently. IIRC this was nerfed to some degree in comparison with the ship's stats during testing.
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                  Meh. While the 11" guns were good 11" guns, that was about all you could say for them. They were outclassed by every single other main-gun on a capital ship during WW2.

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                  • Originally posted by Asheren View Post

                    You compare battles fought in completly different conditions by fleets. In practical terms WW2 battleships could not reach consistent accuracy above 10% even with radar controled fire.
                    Yes you are right. One was warships vs. warships. The other was warships vs. a small freighter that could only make 11 knots. One reflects considerably better on the professionalism of their crew than the other.

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                    • Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
                      Meh. While the 11" guns were good 11" guns, that was about all you could say for them. They were outclassed by every single other main-gun on a capital ship during WW2.
                      It was not an issue of gun it was issue of fire control. At the start of war Germans and US had best FC, followed shortly by UK. German gunnery was renown for its ability to range on target in very few shots. Then during war balance shifted towards UK and US with the later having massive advantage by end of war.

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                      • Originally posted by Asheren View Post

                        It was not an issue of gun it was issue of fire control. At the start of war Germans and US had best FC, followed shortly by UK. German gunnery was renown for its ability to range on target in very few shots. Then during war balance shifted towards UK and US with the later having massive advantage by end of war.
                        Fire control systems on the French battlecruisers was superior to the German FC as were their battlecruisers superior in pretty much every respect to the Scharnhorst's.

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                        • Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post

                          Fire control systems on the French battlecruisers was superior to the German FC as were their battlecruisers superior in pretty much every respect to the Scharnhorst's.
                          Nope because they did not used gyrostabilization for sights at start of war. They had some other developments that were very advance on other hand in field of co-ordinated fire.

                          There is another issue with French FC system that i was losing substantialy on accuracy for some reason over time.

                          French expected to be on target on 3rd 4th salvo, Later their ships used half salvos due to targeting cycle exceding reload time at ranges over 16km. On other hand German ship would fire battery by battery and it was not uncommon for Bismark to achieve same result on second batter firing.
                          Last edited by Asheren; 22-01-2019, 02:23 PM.

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                          • The French were using three-plane gyroscopes for their fire-control. Which was how they were able to justify using dual purpose 152mm guns as AA for the Richelieu class battleships.

                            There was a reason why the RN was VERY keen on either getting their hands on the Dunkerque and Richelieu class ships, or denying them to the Germans.

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                            • Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
                              The French were using three-plane gyroscopes for their fire-control. Which was how they were able to justify using dual purpose 152mm guns as AA for the Richelieu class battleships.

                              There was a reason why the RN was VERY keen on either getting their hands on the Dunkerque and Richelieu class ships, or denying them to the Germans.

                              You talk about different part of the system.

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                              • PSA: World of Warships currently has free captain skill resets in conjunction with the CV and AA rework in the latest patch. I recommend checking it out especially if you have captains specced into anti-air, as the air game especially has kinda been turned on its head. Besides, free skill resets means you can dick around with other builds if you so please. It can also be used to instantly retrain captains you're moving between non-premium ships.

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