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  • #91
    Well, even if I would find enjoyable breaking down some delusions and hypocrisies from python posts I agree we were going off topic here.

    More on topic, it looks like Trump decision produced some shifts on the terrain that won't be as beneficial for Turkey as Erdogan might have wanted. The Kurds seem to move closer to Assad (they were both fighting ISIS after all) and as such Turkey need to talk now with Russia too about that. I don't followed what France do lately but last time I think they have too some troops around there that Turkey wanted to leave but France said it won't.

    So now Turkey need to negociate more with Assad and Russia and be careful with whatever French are there, if they want to invade Kurds areas while American military commanders still feel they sort of betrayed their allies there and the US hastly retreat (and without any assurance for the Kurds) is dishonorable and will be seen as a victory for the other rivals in the area and a defeat for them. Is not at all impossible that in the following mess the ISIS to make a recovery in some areas with future implications everywhere.

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    • #92
      From Israel's perspective, US pullout from Syria offers benefits.

      One benefit is freedom of action against Iran.

      The second benefit is precedent on international agreements regarding the Palestinians, articulated in the following article:

      The US Withdrawal from Syria: A Blessing in Disguise?


      However misconceived, President Trump’s decision to withdraw US forces from Syria might have a silver lining for Israel. It forces Jerusalem to reevaluate the basic assumptions of the “peace process” with the Palestinians that has been actively and coercively led in recent decades by successive US administrations.

      https://besacenter.org/perspectives-...yria-blessing/

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      • #93
        What is Israel's position regarding the Kurds?

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Ivan le Fou View Post
          What is Israel's position regarding the Kurds?
          Sympathetic to their plight, especially considering that lunatic Erdogan:

          "Just now I was exposed to the daily lunacy of the anti-Semitic dictator Erdogan,” Netanyahu said. “He is obsessed with Israel. He knows what a moral army is and he knows what a genuine democracy is, as opposed to an army that massacres women and children in Kurdish villages and a state that, to my regret, is becoming more dictatorial day by day.

          https://www.timesofisrael.com/netany...ts-moral-army/

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          • #95
            Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post
            From Israel's perspective, US pullout from Syria offers benefits.

            One benefit is freedom of action against Iran.

            The second benefit is precedent on international agreements regarding the Palestinians, articulated in the following article:

            The US Withdrawal from Syria: A Blessing in Disguise?


            However misconceived, President Trump’s decision to withdraw US forces from Syria might have a silver lining for Israel. It forces Jerusalem to reevaluate the basic assumptions of the “peace process” with the Palestinians that has been actively and coercively led in recent decades by successive US administrations.

            https://besacenter.org/perspectives-...yria-blessing/
            This sounds a little bit convoluted considering that Israel's goals probably have always been to keep the partition of Syria and prevent the formation of the so-called "Shia crescent". Also, an unified Syria would be a treat to Israel by itself more or less.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by MRAPer View Post

              This sounds a little bit convoluted considering that Israel's goals probably have always been to keep the partition of Syria and prevent the formation of the so-called "Shia crescent". Also, an unified Syria would be a treat to Israel by itself more or less.
              Israel was able to contend with a unified Syria quite successfully prior to the onset of the civil war in 2011.

              What makes you think that Israel wouldn't be able to contend with post-civil war Syria?

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              • #97
                Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post

                Israel was able to contend with a unified Syria quite successfully prior to the onset of the civil war in 2011.

                What makes you think that Israel wouldn't be able to contend with post-civil war Syria?
                From Israel's point of view, the less threat it faces, the better. A partitioned Syria would be less threatening than an unified one.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by MRAPer View Post

                  From Israel's point of view, the less threat it faces, the better. A partitioned Syria would be less threatening than an unified one.
                  Maybe, but all Western countries + Turkey + Gulf Arab states had the same idea; either a friendly Syria (and hostile to Iran) or one partitioned effectively, to prevent Assad from asserting his control over the rest of the country.
                  It wasn't criminal mastermind Israel that was behind everything; neither in Syria nor in the rest of the Middle East. Even though I don't view it's involvement in the conflict positively as such - it has played a pretty minor role compared to other countries.

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                  • #99
                    Pompeo to Netanyahu: Syria pullout doesn’t alter commitment to Israel’s safety

                    US secretary of state meets prime minister in Brazil, vows efforts to counter Iranian aggression will continue regardless of Trump’s announced troop withdrawal

                    The report came after a senior Israeli official said that Netanyahu has asked Trump to stagger the US withdrawal over a lengthy period of time, rather than carry out an immediate pullout. The White House is considering the request and is inclined to agree, the official said.
                    Trump had stunned allies — and prompted the resignation of his respected defense secretary, Jim Mattis — by abruptly announcing on December 19 that the Islamic State jihadists were defeated and that US troops in Syria were ready to leave.
                    https://www.timesofisrael.com/pompeo...sraels-safety/

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                    • National Security Advisor John Bolton told reporters during his visit to Jerusalem that the U.S. would not totally withdraw its troops from Syria until a deal with Turkey had been reached to protect the Kurds. Bolton is in Jerusalem to reassure Israel in the wake of Donald Trump's announcement that the U.S. would withdraw its 2200 soldiers from Syria.

                      https://pjmedia.com/trending/bolton-...protect-kurds/

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                      • Turkey rejects U.S. request to spare allied Kurds in Syria
                        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkey-...hdrawal-plans/

                        So the Kurds will have no choice but to invite SAA in to protect them in the Northeast, because they no longer believe the U.S.

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                        • Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post
                          Pompeo to Netanyahu: Syria pullout doesn’t alter commitment to Israel’s safety

                          US secretary of state meets prime minister in Brazil, vows efforts to counter Iranian aggression will continue regardless of Trump’s announced troop withdrawal

                          The report came after a senior Israeli official said that Netanyahu has asked Trump to stagger the US withdrawal over a lengthy period of time, rather than carry out an immediate pullout. The White House is considering the request and is inclined to agree, the official said.
                          Trump had stunned allies — and prompted the resignation of his respected defense secretary, Jim Mattis — by abruptly announcing on December 19 that the Islamic State jihadists were defeated and that US troops in Syria were ready to leave.
                          https://www.timesofisrael.com/pompeo...sraels-safety/
                          And Netanyahu believes it..?
                          Last edited by Scarren; 09-01-2019, 05:46 AM.

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                          • U.S. military announces start of Syria withdrawal
                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.5226196798f5

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                            • HOW CRITICAL ARE AMERICAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA FOR ISRAEL?


                              The withdrawal, Bolton said “would be carried out in such a way as to “make sure that the defense of Israel and our other friends in the region is absolutely assured,” but Israeli defense officials are not so sure, and have said that the Americans will not remain in the Tanf base, which borders Iraq.

                              Tanf would be a strategic crossing point for Iran’s land bridge, should the Americans leave.

                              Nevertheless, it is not critical for Israel that there be American boots on the ground in Syria, as long as the IAF retains its freedom of action there. But with the regime of Bashar Assad consolidating its grip of the country, the window of opportunity to continue striking is closing, and the IDF knows that.

                              https://www.jpost.com//Israel-News/H...n-Syria-577033

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