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  • Originally posted by Gumiman View Post
    Question now is just how UK is going to respond?
    Maybe a few accidents to SVR agents?
    They're going to use it as justification to dehumanize the Russians. Justify any and all attempts at meddling in Syria, isolating Russia, "regime change" in Russia etc.
    And use it as precedent for any other future case without evidence they need a scapegoat for.

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    • Does anybody know the Chemical Weapons Convention well enough to comment on this?

      Lavrov said that a case of alleged use of chemical weapons should be handled through the proper channel, being the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons of which both Russia and Britain are members. “As soon as the rumors came up that the poisoning of Skripal involved a Russia-produced agent, which almost the entire English leadership has been fanning up, we sent an official request for access to this compound so that our experts could test it in accordance with the Chemical Weapons Convention [CWC],” Lavrov said. So far the request has been ignored by the British side, he added.
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      The OPCW rules allow Britain in this case to send a request to Russia on the suspected Russian-made chemical weapon and expect a response within 10 days, Lavrov explained. If the response is not satisfactory, Britain would have to file a complaint with the organization’s executive council and the conference of CWC member-states, he said.
      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-toxin-samples

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      • Maybe it was ignored because there isn't any English government so the email bounced? Lavrov should check his address book - he'll need to update it anyway now Tillerson's gone...

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        • Originally posted by Guma View Post
          looks like chemical weapon become main driver of sudden changes of situations last years. Iraq, few times in Syria and now in UK.
          UK is NATO member. Does anybody see possibility to invoke art 5? It doesn`t mean war automaticly.
          LMAO

          Please tell me you’re kidding.

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          • One has to wonder whether there is a link between all the dead Russians in the UK:

            Nikolai Glushkov: Russian associate of leading Putin critic Boris Berezovsky found dead in UK
            A Russian man who was associated with a leading critic of Vladimir Putin has been found dead at his London home. The cause of Nikolai Glushkov’s death was not immediately known and police have not yet confirmed whether they are investigating. The 68-year-old was a close friend of exiled Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky, who was himself a friend of murdered spy Alexander Litvinenko. Mr Berezovsky was found hanged in the bathroom of his Berkshire home in 2013. Police said a post-mortem showed no sign of a violent struggle, and an inquest recorded an open verdict after hearing conflicting evidence. His death is among up to 14 being reviewed by police and MI5 in light of the nerve agent attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury.

            Friends of Mr Glushkov were posting news of his death on social media, while his lawyer confirmed his passing to Russia's Business FM radio station.He served a five-year term for money laundering and fraud in Russia, then fled the country after being handed a two year suspended-sentence for fraud in 2006. Last year, he was sentenced to eight years imprisonment and a million-Ruble fine in absentia for allegedly defrauding Aeroflot. Mr Glushkov worked as the First Deputy General Director for Russia’s flag carrier in the late 1990s, having worked for Mr Berezovsky’s LogoVAZ car company. His LinkedIn page listed him as a “private consultant” in financial services since 2011.
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8254001.html

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            • Originally posted by davey View Post
              [SIZE=14px]One has to wonder whether there is a link between all the dead Russians in the UK:


              In order to avoid all conspiration theories regarding Russia, the UK police should send a botanist immediately, preferably in hazmat suit.

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              • And Tillerson gets fired the day after calling out Putin...

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                • Originally posted by davey View Post
                  [SIZE=14px]One has to wonder whether there is a link between all the dead Russians in the UK:



                  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8254001.html
                  Well I think this will only serve to reinforce all of our own respective opinions. Those who think its a false flag will only think more so, and those who think Russia is a mafia state will also only think more so.

                  My view is that someone has decided to massively shit in the pool and provoke a diplomatic crisis between the 2 countries. Russia at least doesn't need it, and I think both countries should co-operate to investigate prevent the provocation from taking hold.
                  Another thing is that Britain has been threatening to start confiscating the wealth and assets of Russians living in Britain unless they step out against Putin. SO this could all be connected with that.
                  Britain does have quite a nice collection of dissidents and people wanted for crimes in Russia and it seems someone has found a way to put them to use by killing them.
                  But to each his own.

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                  • British headlines will always say "Putin Critic" instead of "Convicted Fraudster"....

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                    • Originally posted by davey View Post
                      British headlines will always say "Putin Critic" instead of "Convicted Fraudster"....
                      Once you criticize Putin your chances of being convicted of fraud seem to go up considerably. Nothing wrong while they support him then they drop their support and all of a sudden they're brought up on charges of large scale fraud. Accusing people of stealing from ordinary people is the easiest way to have the populus side with you. Total control of the media ensures you get that point across unopposed. If a newsoutlet refuses you have it's owner brought up on charges of fraud or they just happen to be killed in an armed robbery or commit suicide. Laughable to call out British press when you're talking about a country where the vast majority of the media is state controlled and those that aren't are harassed, imprisoned or killed.

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                      • Originally posted by flamming_python View Post

                        Well I don't like to think that my own country could resort to methods to execute (officially pardoned at that) defectors that end up killing bystanders. What's the difference between that and launching a missile at Great Britain?
                        A sentiment i can appreciate and would likely share if this situation were the other way round. I would hope, however, that we don't allow such feelings to cause us to entrench ourselves along purely nationalistic/ideological grounds when it comes to debate. That's my only point on this really.

                        But we're all biased after all aren't we.
                        Agreed.

                        And for that reason I would also rather that a country be very sure before throwing around such accusations. 3 weeks and not a shred of proof so far is not enough to be spreading hysteria and Russia-blaming frenzy in the media, nevermind promising punishment. Britain is whipping up such a blame-train that it would be very hard if not politically impossible to backtrack if the facts that come out end up contradicting its initial knee-jerk reaction.
                        In all honesty, i don't think you can fault the official response of the UK government at present. There has been no hysteria from government quarters and certainly no knee-jerk reaction so far. The case is now more than a week old and Mrs May's address yesterday was the first official indication that UK officials are entertaining the prospects of Russian involvement. Moreover, her statement suggested nothing more than that the Russian administration is now a figure of interest as it were, it was not an official, definitive accusation nor was she attempting to play judge, jury and executioner and she allowed her comments to be informed by a weeks worth of highly intensive investigation first. Quite honestly, what more could you ask for?

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                        • Originally posted by ~UNiOnJaCk~ View Post
                          Moreover, her statement suggested nothing more than that the Russian administration is now a figure of interest as it were, it was not an official, definitive accusation nor was she attempting to play judge, jury and executioner and she allowed her comments to be informed by a weeks worth of highly intensive investigation first. Quite honestly, what more could you ask for?
                          For starters, an apology to Russia would do. UK's failure to protect it's citizens on UK soil from Russia is making Russia look bad. And even if Russia is behind the assassination it's probably some behavior of UK that has brought this about. Pointing fingers like that is asking for trouble.

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                          • Originally posted by davey View Post
                            [SIZE=14px]One has to wonder whether there is a link between all the dead Russians in the UK:



                            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8254001.html
                            Just in time for the deadline.

                            ”Russia says no”

                            Edit: Nah, timeline doesn’t fit.

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                            • Okay, first of all "Novichok" is not one particular substance, it was the name of a USSR project to develop more refined and potent organophosphate (eg sarin, VX and countless of widely used pesticides) CWs and the Novichok project developed at least a dozen agents of that nature. The chief USSR "Novichok" development and production facility was located in the Uzbekistani SSR, after the fall of the USSR the Russian overlords left it there, the facility budget was eliminated, any remaining scientists were left cash-strapped and the abandoned facilities were swiftly taken over by the U.S. -- ostensibly to aid decontamination efforts and all, but obviously they made sure to involve military intelligence and do some research themselves, and to hire any people available who were in the know.

                              Soon after the union collapse, a number of other former USSR CW scientists (now left without salaries and everything) also defected to the West and brought with them their knowledge, which they gladly exchanged for money.

                              So, that's where it stands. Not suggesting any "false flag" or whatever, I'm just saying, these agents sure as hell aren't unique to the fUSSR, not anymore, not for the past 30 years.

                              ...Also, apropos Berezovsky and his buddies (Khodorkovsky, Browder etc), they are all shameless oligarchs that made billions by bribing and killing their way towards acquiring (or outright stealing) state or competitor assets, and silencing (even killing) any potential opponents, using their mandatory connections with the Russian criminal underworld, all in the glorious anarchy that was the Russian 1990's. Once the Russian state, its law enforcement and its tax authorities started to show some signs of actually functioning somewhat, they lo and behold soon fled abroad and sought "asylum". It's really not more complicated than that.

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                              • Originally posted by moosefoot View Post
                                Soon after the union collapse, a number of other former USSR CW scientists (now left without salaries and everything) also defected to the West and brought with them their knowledge, which they gladly exchanged for money.
                                With cashless scientists, money probably changed hands and nerve agents followed. Into whose hands and how far it proliferated one does not know. If the British did indeed do a proper investigation, they should have taken this possibility into account - this information is available from open sources ffs. Russian involvement is possible, but not at all proven. Given that the facility was in Uzbekistan, its possible that some material fell into the hands of Jihadist groups. Given Russia's involvement in the Syrian conflict, this opens up new possibilities. I don't think it is a coincidence that the poisoning incident took place just before the Russian presidential election.

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