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  • #46
    Originally posted by picanha View Post
    Nobody checks food or products coming in from outside Europe or America for pollutants.
    Thats not true. I don't know about other countries but I have visited a facility of customs that among other stuff does exactly that.
    Of course the problem is that they only catch some of it but there is someone.

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    • #47
      I know that they are supposed to do so. But don't fool yourself..even the pre-backed just-heat-10-min-in-the-oven buns come from China.


      The amounts imported are humunguous and I find it a scandal that we import apples and stuff from polluted countries and teh EU isn't able to declare where the stuff comes from.

      I want to knbow that the apple juice concentrate is from China.


      Aldi now has directly pressed juices with "harvested and ?extruded? in Germany"


      The directly pressed juices can't be transportet around the world cost effective.


      Same with EU organic label. What organic serves me if it is not declared where it comes from only EU agriculture / Non-EU agriculture.

      Even if the do it organic they may be full of other noxious substances.


      I always wait for fresh Ginger from Peru instead of the one from China.


      I laughed at the hipsters going full retard on the super healthy Goji berries and the extreme expensive juice made from them.

      Totally contaminated!





      The cheap cheap healthy whatever fantasy does not work, they feed you the pollution back!


      http://www.weltderwunder.de/artikel/...ich-vergiften/



      Weisue was murdered. Google it up and then write a letter to the EU about their "controls"..


      And what do you think is in strawberry jam? 1,60€ / kg cheap China strawberries

      Last edited by picanha; 10-01-2018, 07:41 AM.

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      • #48
        China Seen Set to Dominate Clean Energy...: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...vestment-surge

        China is set to dominate global construction and financing of clean energy after record investment in overseas ventures and takeovers last year.

        The world’s biggest energy user spent $44 billion on large, international clean energy projects, and mergers and acquisitions in 2017, up almost 38 percent from a year earlier, Cleveland-based Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis said in a report. China’s Belt and Road Initiative has driven $8 billion of solar exports and is proving a gateway to emergent sectors like energy storage.
        https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ts-report-says

        China is moving towards becoming a global leader in renewable technology as the US pulls away, a new report has said.

        China is the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases and still invests in coal but in recent years it has become the largest investor in domestic renewable energy. The country is now on track to lead international investment in the sector, according to the report by the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA).

        The Chinese data showed that Beijing saw a 20% reduction in air pollution compared to 2016, but the American embassy in Beijing showed a 50% reduction in air pollution compared to 2016. Of course, this difference was expected because the Americans only have one detector at one location while the Chinese have thousands in different locations within Beijing.

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        • #49
          China leads the way in photovoltaic capacity...

          According to the latest data released by the National Energy Administration, in 2017, China has added more than 53GW in new photovoltaic installations, an increase of 53.4% from a year earlier.

          The country’s cumulative installed capacity has exceeded 130GW, securing first place around the world for the third consecutive year.

          In the global perspective, the newly installed capacity has increased over 37% year-on-year to 102GW, adding to a cumulative photovoltaic capacity of 405GW globally. Among all, Japan, the United States and India have installed new capacity of 6.8GW, 12.5GW and 9GW respectively.
          ...
          http://www.atimes.com/article/china-...taic-capacity/

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          • #50
            I love the title of this report written by American military veterans, "Totalitarianism Crushes Pollution in China": https://limacharlienews.com/environm...ina-pollution/ This is a nice contrast to Australian media's "Choking on democracy": http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-1...proves/9143090 Nonetheless, I learned a few interesting things from it. It's interesting the Green Peace claimed that Beijing saw a 54% reduction in air pollution in 2017, but the Chinese government is only claiming 20% reduction. Well, the US embassy in Beijing also saw a 50% reduction in Beijing. Also, it is interesting that the current Mayor of Beijing was the minister of the Ministry of Environmental Protection from 2015 to early 2017. I think Beijing's air will get a lot cleaner in 2018 under him.

            https://limacharlienews.com/environm...ina-pollution/

            Before taking over as mayor, Jining leads the Ministry of Environmental Protection in China, which spearheaded major environmental reforms in the country in 2013. Now in 2018, Greenpeace East Asia has issued a report indicating that concentrations of PM2.5 (the smallest particles of pollution, which pose a serious health risk) in Beijing dropped by 54% between the end of 2016 and the end of 2017. Concentrations of PM2.5 were also down by nearly 30% across 26 major cities in northern China.
            Last edited by pla; 02-02-2018, 06:17 PM.

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            • #51
              China's planned battery plants is about triple the rest of the world combined.

              https://about.bnef.com/blog/breaknec...car-batteries/

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              • #52
                Originally posted by MRAPer View Post


                Yes, it looks very ambitious. But remember, through 2030, the additional power generation capacity China adds each year is equivalent to Britain's existing annual electricity production capacity.

                https://phys.org/news/2013-08-china-...-capacity.html
                ​most of the planned power generation capacity are coming from hydropower plants on minor rivers, they are supposed to supply rural area . The problem for hydropower plants is they cannot provide continuous electric flow. But for rural area usage, it should not be a big problem.

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                • #53
                  ​At the cost of people in Hebei are forbidden to heat their home. At the cost of the manufacturing plants have to burn Natural gas at 600% cost increase on energy per unit, that's based on assumption that they can secure natural gas, if they cannot they will face production shut down. To some of our dear government officials all they want do is to please the citizen in District 1, and foreigners, which they did a fantastic job.

                  ​Fortunately this great leap forward on environment has slow down a little bit, thanks to some clear mind. But it has already generate a lot of chaos. When the spring come let's hope we will not see a huge spike on cost of fertilizer.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Basement_PLA View Post

                    ​At the cost of people in Hebei are forbidden to heat their home. At the cost of the manufacturing plants have to burn Natural gas at 600% cost increase on energy per unit, that's based on assumption that they can secure natural gas, if they cannot they will face production shut down. To some of our dear government officials all they want do is to please the citizen in District 1, and foreigners, which they did a fantastic job.

                    ​Fortunately this great leap forward on environment has slow down a little bit, thanks to some clear mind. But it has already generate a lot of chaos. When the spring come let's hope we will not see a huge spike on cost of fertilizer.
                    I look at the big picture. Overall, China's air pollution has been improving for the past 5 years, not worsening. It is not like we only saw huge improvements in 2017. Some parts actually saw worsening of air pollution, but China as a country has seen constant improvements. I am not going to address each of your points because you are not 100% wrong. So it is hard to address your points. It is easy if you are mostly wrong or 100% wrong. Whatever you mentioned, even if they are 1000% correct (but they are not), is just a small part of China's war on pollution. China is a big country. If the Chinese can solve all the problems all at once, then everyone on this planet would copy China's methods. Are you sure China's improvements has nothing to do with its effort to convert dirty coal to cleaner coal, with its effort to halt coal power plant constructions, with its huge investment in non-fossil fuel based energy (the largest investment in the world), with its effort to punish industries that pollute as 40% of China's factories were shut down for inspection in 2017, etc...? You can pick on the small flaws or even big flaws all day long. It is not going to change the fact that China has been improving on the environmental front. The long term trajectory is clear as supported by empirical data from third party non-Chinese institutions such as NASA, Green Peace, US embassy, UN, etc... . No amount of nit picking is going to change that.

                    The long term growth pattern of a good performing stock is clear, I am not going to sell it whenever it has a small downturn. I look at the upward pattern over a long period of time, not at every single small downward patterns that happen every 5 or 10 days.
                    Last edited by pla; 22-02-2018, 09:59 AM.

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                    • #55
                      http://www.sohu.com/a/114253146_256375

                      ​The pic in this report tells a lot about current Chinese electric vehicle market, 10% of the produced electric vehicle do not have battery, another 20% either be stored or be purchased by customer but they never be put into service. Both the manufacturer and buyer still get bonus and tax exemption from the government, people saying the bonus and tax exemption is the driving force of increasing electric vehicle manufacturing, that's right. Can't blame Chinese government, but this could easily get out of control.

                      ​in Early of 2000's, we also heard that China is leading the Nano technology innovation, but it turns out many of the project are just fraud. And many local government were working with the people that commit the fraud to milk the money from Central government.
                        “要从产业链的上游也就是研发环节,对真正有技术含量的企业进行支持。还有就要对有严重质量问题或者欺骗行为的企业严惩。经历了这次大规模的骗补事件,实际上被取消资质的企业很少,而更加严苛的惩罚措施和退出

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Basement_PLA View Post
                        http://www.sohu.com/a/114253146_256375

                        ​The pic in this report tells a lot about current Chinese electric vehicle market, 10% of the produced electric vehicle do not have battery, another 20% either be stored or be purchased by customer but they never be put into service. Both the manufacturer and buyer still get bonus and tax exemption from the government, people saying the bonus and tax exemption is the driving force of increasing electric vehicle manufacturing, that's right. Can't blame Chinese government, but this could easily get out of control.

                        ​in Early of 2000's, we also heard that China is leading the Nano technology innovation, but it turns out many of the project are just fraud. And many local government were working with the people that commit the fraud to milk the money from Central government.
                        Nice use of an adjective. What is "a lot"? Thank you for a Chinese article from 2016 which calls for reforms to address the problems. China was leading the "Nano technology innovation" in early 2000's? according to whom?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Basement_PLA View Post
                          http://www.sohu.com/a/114253146_256375

                          ​The pic in this report tells a lot about current Chinese electric vehicle market, 10% of the produced electric vehicle do not have battery, another 20% either be stored or be purchased by customer but they never be put into service.
                          Where did you get the 10% and 20%? Anyway, I think the 10% and 20% refer to EVs involved in the fraud, not China's annual EV production.

                          Originally posted by Basement_PLA View Post
                          Both the manufacturer and buyer still get bonus and tax exemption from the government, people saying the bonus and tax exemption is the driving force of increasing electric vehicle manufacturing, that's right. Can't blame Chinese government, but this could easily get out of control.
                          It seems that those EV manufacturers in that list inflated their sales numbers in order to get government subsidies and tax deductions fraudulently. But they all got caught, didn't they? So it won't get out of control.

                          Originally posted by Basement_PLA View Post
                          in Early of 2000's, we also heard that China is leading the Nano technology innovation, but it turns out many of the project are just fraud. And many local government were working with the people that commit the fraud to milk the money from Central government.
                          Research teams exaggerate their achievements to milk money from government and public institutions? It's the same thing in every country. China leading in nano technology? That's news for me.



                          Here are the goals for China's annual EV sales: 7 million by 2025, and 15 million by 2040.

                          https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ina-pollution/
                          Last edited by MRAPer; 09-03-2018, 12:46 PM.

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