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  • #31
    I'll quote myself:
    Originally posted by Miller2 View Post
    As a guy living in the country with around 39% of non-natives. Don't blindly believe that new immigrants will integrate as the old ones, the more they will get, the less they will integrate in the society (at the same time part of those you had already integrated will start to disintegrate).
    At certain point they will stop to integrate at all and will start to demand that you accept their language, views and traditions.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Miller2 View Post
      I'll quote myself:

      Why don't you just leave it alone already? No-one in Latvia is demanding that you accept the Russian language as your own as well as traditions and world-views, that's the biggest load of horse-shite and just a made-up justification for your Balto-fascist outlook. People expected Latvians to talk Russian because Latvia was part of the USSR and Russian was the official language - that's about as far as it went.

      You known I heard an account of a Jew who lived in Riga; he and his family left Riga in 1991 because the Latvian National Front came to his home and demanded that he either support their front, or get out of Latvia. So they left.
      Of course you'd never own up to such stories and events as your Western supporters would be shocked if you did.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
        Why don't you just leave it alone already?
        Not your country experienced forced Sovietization using mass immigration:


        Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
        No-one in Latvia is demanding that you accept the Russian language as your own as well as traditions and world-views, that's the biggest load of horse-shite and just a made-up justification for your Balto-fascist outlook.
        Well, I stated that they're demanding that the rest of the society must accept their demands, so don't twist my words. For example, in France's case it would be - acceptance that immigrants can have child brides. Looking from the macro level both groups are equal, like it or not.

        Speaking about your "Balto-fascist" remark, it very well goes with -
        Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
        What about in Estonia what parties do you have other than the Nazis?
        Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
        People expected Latvians to talk Russian because Latvia was part of the USSR and Russian was the official language - that's about as far as it went.
        So people in their own country must speak in foreign language, great. Sorry, but some of the arrivals had 5 decades to learn the language, if the Soviets wouldn't forcibly included Baltic states into the USSR there would be no problems in the first place.

        Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
        You known I heard an account of a Jew who lived in Riga; he and his family left Riga in 1991 because the Latvian National Front came to his home and demanded that he either support their front, or get out of Latvia. So they left.
        Of course you'd never own up to such stories and events as your Western supporters would be shocked if you did.
        Knowing your overall stance towards Baltic states and the fact you didn't provide any proofs backing your claim, it doesn't look too trustworthy. Non the less, I don't exclude a possibility that there could be people don't wanting to see the representatives of the Soviet regime, after it used armed units to attack civilians.

        If you want to discuss things in more detail, then lets move to the another thread.


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Miller2 View Post
          Not your country experienced forced Sovietization using mass immigration:

          I really like graph showing population of Riga - it shows, that Latvians were majority there only for very short ammount of time...

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          • #35
            Oh god, I open this thread and see ethnic compositions of baltic states and realize immidiately that this thing has gone to shit.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JCR View Post
              Oh god, I open this thread and see ethnic compositions of baltic states and realize immidiately that this thing has gone to shit.
              Well balt walzs in and says something about integrations problems his county has. As if they were in any way comparable to what we have here with muslim immigrants. Cultural difference between latvians, russians and germans is so small, that one dont actually notices it without extra looking for it. Languange being only giveaway most of the time. Try to compare it to new muslim and african "refugees" - many of them come from rural shitholes with culture being ages behind when it comes to certain aspects of human rights.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Miller2 View Post
                Not your country experienced forced Sovietization using mass immigration:



                Well, I stated that they're demanding that the rest of the society must accept their demands, so don't twist my words. For example, in France's case it would be - acceptance that immigrants can have child brides. Looking from the macro level both groups are equal, like it or not.

                Speaking about your "Balto-fascist" remark, it very well goes with -



                So people in their own country must speak in foreign language, great. Sorry, but some of the arrivals had 5 decades to learn the language, if the Soviets wouldn't forcibly included Baltic states into the USSR there would be no problems in the first place.


                Knowing your overall stance towards Baltic states and the fact you didn't provide any proofs backing your claim, it doesn't look too trustworthy. Non the less, I don't exclude a possibility that there could be people don't wanting to see the representatives of the Soviet regime, after it used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_Events_%28Lithuania%29"]armed units to attac[/URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Barricades"]k civilians[/URL].

                If you want to discuss things in more detail, then lets move to the another thread.

                Why would I want to discuss anything with a Baltic nationalist such as yourself? Do you think that people with your views endear themselves to me? Would I want to have a discussion with an SS veteran and his view of the world and politics and so on?
                Absolutely not, I'm not interested, and I'm not interested in your fabrications, and your smearing against my people, and how you try to dress up the fact that Baltic nationalists achieved said ethnic homogeneity that was so rudely interrupted by the Soviets - through active cooperation with Hitler and the einsatzgruppen; and that in fact your republics were always extremely linguistically and culturally diverse and that this was the norm basically all throughout your history. Thus any claim about how integrated everyone used to be into your culture before the Soviet period is obscene; this was never the case.
                And a nice comparison of 3rd world uneducated immigrants from warzones to Russian-speaking industrial specialists that were sent to Latvia in the 50s-80s.

                I request that you keep it all out of this thread, that's all. You compare very different things.

                The Jewish guy's story - well I don't know if its true or not - but it is what he said, and left he did. But I'm sure there are plenty of other stories that did definitely happen, squares up with the sort of regimes you have in the Baltic States and the Ukraine (and early 90s Georgia and Moldova) and what sort of political movements and currents they draw on support from.
                Last edited by flamming_python; 07-01-2017, 04:34 PM.

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                • #38
                  The difference about Baltics is that it was for all intents and purposes another state at a time.

                  Basically people had the cultural rug pulled from under their feet in span of couple of years after 40+ years of their own culture being the domentant force in the region. Identical to what happened to Latvia during soviets snatching it over. So there's no comparison between France and the Baltics.

                  People didn't move into Baltics because they wanted to but because thats where they were directed by state organs. They likewise moved into already astablished or promoted soviet cultural space. It's not someone moving into another ethnocentric state with intent to fit in within the cultural makeup of that state but someone being ordered to go into another part of a "country" basically.

                  Thats inherently different. Sort of like being a decendant of an empire in one of the colonies oposite to moving into another country as imigrant.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by EiB L/T View Post
                    Well balt walzs in and says something about integrations problems his county has. As if they were in any way comparable to what we have here with muslim immigrants.
                    You see, you're directly comparing both groups, while I'm looking more abstract - in both cases there are a part of the society which instead of integrating wants the majority to accept their "rules of the game". Either way, we're not primarily taking about my country and its problems, but about the mass-immigration and its effects. Immigration is no different from alcohol consumption - too much and you will have terrible hangover.

                    Originally posted by EiB L/T View Post
                    Cultural difference between latvians, russians and germans is so small, that one dont actually notices it without extra looking for it. Languange being only giveaway most of the time. Try to compare it to new muslim and african "refugees" - many of them come from rural shitholes with culture being ages behind when it comes to certain aspects of human rights.
                    Being half Russian myself and living here for almost all of my life, I can tell that you're getting it wrong. We've problems with certain part of Homo-sovieticus (basically those, who arrived here after forcible inclusion into the USSR), not Russians. Those people still cannot get over that the USSR ceased to exist more than 25 years ago. The good thing is, that the share of such people keeps decreasing.

                    Originally posted by JCR View Post
                    Oh god, I open this thread and see ethnic compositions of Baltic states and realize immidiately that this thing has gone to shit.
                    Blame flamming_python.

                    Originally posted by flamming_python View Post
                    Some rant..
                    You can be proud of yourself as your bullshitting starts to resemble Zhirinovsky's one.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Miller2 View Post
                      You see, you're directly comparing both groups, while I'm looking more abstract - in both cases there are a part of the society which instead of integrating wants the majority to accept their "rules of the game". Either way, we're not primarily taking about my country and its problems, but about the mass-immigration and its effects. Immigration is no different from alcohol consumption - too much and you will have terrible hangover.


                      Being half Russian myself and living here for almost all of my life, I can tell that you're getting it wrong. We've problems with certain part of Homo-sovieticus (basically those, who arrived here after forcible inclusion into the USSR), not Russians. Those people still cannot get over that the USSR ceased to exist more than 25 years ago. The good thing is, that the share of such people keeps decreasing.


                      Blame flamming_python.

                      You can be proud of yourself as your bullshitting starts to resemble Zhirinovsky's one.
                      Your own fault for making such such a ridiculous comparison - please carry on about your Latvian NEGRs (NEGRazhdane); Soviets, Soveticus, Russians or whoever they are - and how they're forcing you into their culture and gang-molesting innocent white Latvian girls in Daugavpills sq.

                      On 2nd thoughts its off-topic so create a separate thread for it. We have freedom of speech here so bring up whatever subject you want but don't pollute existing ones with your same comparisons and agenda again and again.

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