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  • Title: Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (Vol. II)

    There's Volume I and a Volume II on Project Gutenberg. It will take me a good while to read it. The more I read, the more I want to read all of Vol. II and may read Vol I also.

    Title: Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (Vol. II)

    Author: Various

    Release Date: December 20, 2017 [EBook #56213]

    Language: English

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/56213...3-h.htm#pg173a


    (c) The Waffen SS. The third component is the Waffen SS, the combat arm of the SS, which was created, trained, and finally utilized for the purposes of aggressive war. The reason underlying the creation of this combat branch was described in the Organizations Book of the Nazi Party for 1943:

    “The Waffen SS originated out of the thought: to create for the Fuehrer a selected long service troop for the fulfillment of special missions. It was to render it possible for members of the General SS, as well as for volunteers who fulfill the special requirements of the SS, to fight in the battle for the evolution of the National Socialist idea, with weapon in hand, in unified groups, partly within the framework of the Army.” (2640-PS)

    The term “Waffen SS” did not come into use until after the beginning of the war. Up to that time there were two branches of the SS composed of fulltime, professional, well-trained soldiers: the so-called SS Verfuegungstruppe, translatable perhaps as “SS Emergency Troops”; and the SS Totenkopf Verbaende, the “Death Head Units.” After the beginning of the war, the units of the SS Verfuegungstruppe were brought up to division strength, and new divisions were added to them. Moreover, parts of the SS Death Head Units were formed into a division, the SS Totenkopf Division. All these divisions then came to be known collectively as the “Waffen SS”.

    This development is traced in the Organization Book of the Nazi Party for 1943:

    “The origin of the Waffen SS goes back to the decree of 17 March 1933, establishing the “Stabswache” with an original strength of 120 men. Out of this small group developed the later-called SS Verfuegungstruppe (SS Emergency Force).” (2640-PS)

    The function and status of the SS Verfuegungstruppe are described in a Top Secret Hitler order, 17 August 1938 (647-PS). That order provides, in part:

    (b) The SS as an exterminator of “inferior” races.

    Domination of Europe through a Nazi Elite required more, however, than the positive side of racism—that is, the building up of a numerous “biologically superior” group. It necessarily meant also the destruction of other races. The SS had to be, and was, taught not merely to breed, but to exterminate. In a speech delivered at Kharkov in April 1943, Himmler declared:

    “We have—I would say, as very consistent National Socialists—taken the question of blood as our starting point. We were the first really to solve the problem of blood by action, and in this connection by problem of blood, we of course do not mean anti-semitism. Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a matter of cleanliness. In just the same way, anti-semitism for us, will soon have been dealt with. We shall soon be deloused. We have only 20,000 lice left, and then the matter is finished within the whole of Germany.” (1919-PS)

    But it was not merely against Jews that SS efforts were directed. All non-Nordic races were similarly condemned. In his Posen speech, Himmler stated this basic principle of the SS:

    “One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS men: We must be honest, decent, loyal and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech, does not interest me in the slightest. What other nations can offer in the way of good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary, by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an antitank ditch interests me only insofar as the antitank ditch for Germany is finished.”

    * * * * * *

    “That is what I want to instill into this SS and what I believe I have instilled in them as one of the most sacred laws of the future.” (1919-PS)


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    Like all organizations that grew out of the Nazi party's depraved body, the SS existed not only as a pool of fanatics – but also as a tool for intra-Nazi power games. Himmler and his cronies meant to bring all public life both official and private under their heel. Whenever they failed to shut down or usurp an existing institution root and stem, they worked to mirror it and make their "adaption" appear more prestigious.

    That's primarily why the Waffen-SS was created; Himmler wanted his own army. Perhaps we should be thankful; had they not been so idiotic as to maintain structures redudant in terms of purpose, they wouldn't have wasted as many ressources and could've fought an even longer war.

    The wholsesale condemnation of the SS at Nuremberg was well deserved. While the Wehrmacht denied inhumane orders at least some of the time, the fact that a handfull of SS members defied their allegiance and showed some humanity can't be seen in any other way than as a cruel joke of history. This organisation was rotten to the core.

    Weird fact: The skull-and-bones symbol the SS wore wasn't intended to promote their brutality or fierceness. At first they didn't even wish to have it, as the SS had breaking traditions on its mind anyway. Much like the color black, the dead's head symbol had been the ancient badge of the old empire's hussars. By adopting it, Himmler believed the public would receive his entourage of brutes as an elite. To some success.

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    • #3
      muck, it's just incomprehensible what they did.
      Reading about it in this volume.... I read things I didn't know...

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      • #4
        You're right. In my humble opinion, the Holocaust is unique not due to its sheer extent; other instances of genocide from years both recent and long ago were in the end just as monstrous.
        What makes the Holocaust unique is the way the Nazis handled it; their viciously callous attitude towards it. In Khmer Rouge-ruled Cambodia, Rwanda or Maoist China for example those with blood on their hands were frothing brutes armed with primitive weapons; in Nazi Germany, the murderers were thin-lipped bureaucrats to whom murdering untold numbers of people seemed like a normal job.

        There are two men who could be regarded as the embodiement of the Holocaust each; one was Adolf Eichmann, certainty about the other one's identity eludes me right now, but it might have been SS-bigwig Wilhelm Stuckart.

        Let's for a second do the unthinkable and assume a Nazi point of view; for them, wouldn't it have been more reasonable to postpone the planned genocide until after the war, devoting all ressources to the war effort instead? Wouldn't it have been far more reasonable to halt the costly killing machine once the war started to go awry for Hitler?

        But they didn't postpone nor halt it. They cranked it up to finish the job in due time; such was their callousness.

        The other one, Stuckart if memory serves me right, stuck in my head as an especially grotesque figure. During the infamous conference at Lake Wannsee, he suggested "merely" neutering all Jews in Europe instead of downright murdering them.

        Obviously he hadn't had humanitarian reasons on his mind, but numbers: Neutering a family of four in proximity to their home would've cost less than rounding them up for deportation to Auschwitz. Imho nothing screams monster as loudly as suggesting to let someone marked for death live for cost reasons.

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        • #5
          I've read about the holocaust off and on all my life, but reading about it in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression (Vol. II) - what happened - what was done- was way worse than i've ever comprehended up to now. I think you're right, I think their callousness just has been revealed more to me in this volume.

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          • #6
            The Waffen-SS had 3 core cells, so to speak

            1. The Leibstandarde was probably the earliest but not the most numerous, simply an offshoot of Hitlers actual bodyguard from the Weimar days
            2. The Verfügungstruppe (I would translate it as "ready force") which was basically a NSDAP sanctioned experiment in new military tactics by former Reichswehr officers who thought too differently from Prussian military establishment and found a way to try their tactics within the SS, most notably Felix Steiner and Paul Hausser. They advocated small unit cohesion, the abolishment of the officer-enlisted divide and camouflage uniforms, among other things...
            3. The Totenkopf-Verbände raised to guard concentration camps. These were offshoots of the Weimar era street thug days and Theodor Eicke, later Division Commander of the Totenkopf Division basically always tried to keep his unit apart from soldiers, trying to retain the street thug mentality.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JCR View Post
              3. The Totenkopf-Verbände raised to guard concentration camps. These were offshoots of the Weimar era street thug days and Theodor Eicke, later Division Commander of the Totenkopf Division basically always tried to keep his unit apart from soldiers, trying to retain the street thug mentality.
              Thats a bit of a misreading of Eicke. You've got to remember the KZ system was heavily under the influence of Goerring , he had been involved with the SA, had created the Gestapo and was the head of the Prussian police. He was also an utter halfwit when it came to organising anything so the SA run camps turned into hellholes as a bunch of SA thugs beat up who they like, dragged prisoners outside the wire to shoot them while they were trying to escape and generally acted like they were invulnerable.

              Eicke was the guy sent in to take control of these wild camps which he did by instilling military discipline, an utterly rigid code of ethics and loyalty and setting up what would best be described as unit pride. German guards were stopped from maltreating prisoners except in sanctioned punishments, the unsanctioned deaths stopped, he turned the KZs into a disciplined institution.

              Admittedly he did it by making the SS the arbiters of punishment and creating a tier of Kapos who did the dirty work of beating the hell out of the prisoners and maltreating them. He created a core of well disciplined men with an ethical code, unit integrity and fierce loyalty to him at least in the regions of Germany he was responsible for rather than the northern camps still under SA control.

              The problem is that when Eicke went on to create the Totenkopf he took a good number of the younger, more disciplined and more competent men with him returning day to day control of the prisoners to the halfwits, the unfit and the incompetent just when Hitlers policies were causing a massive expansion of the KZ system due to Jewish, Soviet and Polish prisoners. This didn't end well.

              Last edited by Nemowork; 26-05-2018, 08:20 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by muck View Post
                Let's for a second do the unthinkable and assume a Nazi point of view; for them, wouldn't it have been more reasonable to postpone the planned genocide until after the war, devoting all ressources to the war effort instead? Wouldn't it have been far more reasonable to halt the costly killing machine once the war started to go awry for Hitler?

                But they didn't postpone nor halt it. They cranked it up to finish the job in due time; such was their callousness.

                The other one, Stuckart if memory serves me right, stuck in my head as an especially grotesque figure. During the infamous conference at Lake Wannsee, he suggested "merely" neutering all Jews in Europe instead of downright murdering them.

                Obviously he hadn't had humanitarian reasons on his mind, but numbers: Neutering a family of four in proximity to their home would've cost less than rounding them up for deportation to Auschwitz. Imho nothing screams monster as loudly as suggesting to let someone marked for death live for cost reasons.
                Your looking at this from a modern viewpoint.

                The Nazi view was that the Jews were a malignant force in direct opposition to German culture who were directly responsible for the military defeats of 1918 and profiteering from the destruction of the German economy as well as being the guiding force behind communism which was itself a threat to western religion and civilisation.Cranks like Himmler and his pagan shenanigans aside the Nazis were hugely influenced and based in Bavaria and other Catholic regions. Communists wanted to destroy the church so they hated hated communists, many communists were jews QED the Jews had to be stopped.

                removing the Jews from inside German civilisation wasnt an addendum to their planning it was an essential war aim, fighting Stalin meant you had to remove the Jewish fifth column so they didnt stab you in the back and destroy the war effort, repressing the Jews meant you were going to end up fighting Stalin so you had to do both.

                You also have to consider the economics of it, the Germans had captured millions of soviet prisoners but they barely had the resources to transport their own food and weapons, they simply didnt have the resources to feed millions of extra men so many of those soviet prisoners were allowed to starve to death.

                The nazi's are concentrating jewish prisoners in camps and Ghettoes and theyre making a profit by doing it since theyre stealing companies and assets and using the money made to pay for the war. The problem is once you've stolen Isaaks tailoring shop and sold it on to Franz for a profit you've got a problem, that's a once only payment. The Jewish prisoners are no longer producing wealth they're consuming it since the state has to invest time, money and manpower in maintaining camps, weapons for guards, men who could be used in the army or factories being diverted, food being used to feed the prisoners.

                they've got access to Poland and Ukraine but many of the men who could be growing food are starving to death as soviet prisoners, the Germans who could be growing food are wearing uniforms and running round Russia consuming rations that have to be sent from Germany so to save effort theyre allowed to steal food from the Poles and Ukrainians except thats a limited resource because as mentioned before many of the farmers who would be growing next years crops are in prison camps, in the army or in war work so there's an impending famine.

                Theres too many prisoners, not enough food, the only logical solution is to get rid of the prisoners. It was actually seen as a humanitarian solution, a slow painful starvation versus a quick painless bullet to the head.

                You also have to consider that the extermination camps were built on an economical model to run with minimal resources. Many concentration camps were equipped with gas chambers, they were used to dump prisoners clothes in and fumigate them for fleas to prevent Typhus epidemics so gas sealed doors were readily available technology. They came equipped with Zyklon B because it was the pesticide used to kill the fleas, fumigate barracks and was cheap and in stores, plus it wasn't a frontline resource.

                The manpower used isnt combat troops its older men from the German psychiatric and prison service plus soviet prisoners who have been given an offer of doing Hitlers dirty work plus a bed, food and Vodka versus starving to death in an open gully with the rest of their unit. Auschwitz started gassing in the little white house which was a an abandoned farmhouse, Treblinka didnt even pay for the Zyklon B they recovered an engine from a nearby soviet tank wreck and captured fuel to produce carbon monoxide. Most of camps like Chelmno and Sobibor are built in forests out of timber created by clearing the forest in gas chambers made from forest timber and dirt, the only expense is a gas sealed door and the internal lining.

                The extermination camps ran on an absolute shoestring budget of manpower and resources


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                • #9
                  The skull and bones goes waaaaaay back.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf
                  mitchell and webb see that their logos are'nt very intimadating

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by muck View Post
                    Weird fact: The skull-and-bones symbol the SS wore wasn't intended to promote their brutality or fierceness. At first they didn't even wish to have it, as the SS had breaking traditions on its mind anyway. Much like the color black, the dead's head symbol had been the ancient badge of the old empire's hussars. By adopting it, Himmler believed the public would receive his entourage of brutes as an elite. To some success.
                    Interesting and mostly unknown indeed. In the end, their brutality around the various countries they occupied made them fitting for wearing such a symbol.

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                    • #11
                      There was no such legal notion as genocide or crimes against humanity within International Law at the time. Generally speaking the Law was made retroactive in order to prosecute Nazis during Nuremberg "Trials".

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