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  • #46
    Assuming of course that;

    1: The US hadn't broken the codes used to give the orders
    2: The submarines got within range of their aircraft without being detected, keeping in mind that the Japanese didn't have snorkel systems and so had to run much of it above water
    2: The aircraft bypassed the radar and prox fused AA systems and fighter patrol aircraft
    3: The US didn't already get regular infections of bubonic plague from infected mammals, especially on the west coast

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    • #47
      Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
      Assuming of course that;

      1: The US hadn't broken the codes used to give the orders
      2: The submarines got within range of their aircraft without being detected, keeping in mind that the Japanese didn't have snorkel systems and so had to run much of it above water
      2: The aircraft bypassed the radar and prox fused AA systems and fighter patrol aircraft
      3: The US didn't already get regular infections of bubonic plague from infected mammals, especially on the west coast

      1- Given that the project was discovered pretty late post war, we can assume its secrecy was high level. After all, only a small one way crew was needed by sub. It was not a fleet maneuver

      2- Yes, that's one issue but at least for them, I-400 class had a pretty advanced anechoid surface. Aircraft launch on the over hand was a flare in the night if a nearby ship was watching.
      i d rather question their ability to come close correctly to the coast without going on a sand bench or a reef, they were pretty hard to "drive"

      3- That's one question i was wondering about. How was the alert status on the western coast back 1945

      4-We are talking about several millions of infected fleas released so probably several hundred of contaminated in a short time. Nothing to do with sporadic cases (10-20 / year over whole USA IIRC)
      if the launch was optimal. Trials in China however showed that it was not so efficient all the time (fleas are not able to travel very far by themselves and a casing dropped in the middle of nowhere is a lost content).
      If (and that's a big if) the operation succeeded somehow you would have hundred if not thousands of casualties, panic, curfew, quarantine and overloaded medical facilities
      But it would have not changed a single resulst on the overall outcome of the war

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      • #48
        Trials in China really don't shed much light on things though. When the Japanese released Cholera on the population of a Chinese province it was hard to tell who was infected by the Japanese release and who got it from the already prevelent Cholera.

        By 1945 the west coast had good radar coverage and (despite there being no attacks since 1942) still ran AA coverage as well - much like on the east coast which had AA coverage right up until 8 May 1945. Radar was of course linked with an IFF system that would have made any approach liable for interception - especially if tried around a major population centre like LA/SF/SD.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post

          The records of the time show that the effort spent on the V1 program would have built an extra 30,000 fighters. In exchange for some fairly random exporting of explosives to the south of the UK and/or Belgium.


          What would 30.000 fighters help, if you didn't have the pilots maning it?
          Or just another few thousend ill trained 18 year old pilots which are just able to fly directly into the bomber stream, hoping to not get shut by the escorting p51 before reaching it?


          Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
          The RAF dropped more explosives on Germany in a week than the V-programs dropped in their 11 months of existence.
          It was a political Nazi thing to show they still are the one who can fight back.
          For theGerman people, the Allies and the rest of the world.
          V1 stood for Vergeltungswaffe, vengeance weapon 1, and was their last hope (together with V2 and V3 and some other projects).

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Johanness View Post

            What would 30.000 fighters help, if you didn't have the pilots maning it?
            Or just another few thousend ill trained 18 year old pilots which are just able to fly directly into the bomber stream, hoping to not get shut by the escorting p51 before reaching it
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            It was a political Nazi thing to show they still are the one who can fight back.
            For theGerman people, the Allies and the rest of the world.
            V1 stood for Vergeltungswaffe, vengeance weapon 1, and was their last hope (together with V2 and V3 and some other projects).
            30 000 fighters is just a figure
            With the ressources Germany could have allowed itself more trained pilotes (lacking indeed by the end of the war) and more planes more advanced than what was put on line
            Same issue with PzVI and other land monsters
            One Tiger was worth in ressource between 8 and 12 PzIVH in raw material, labour time and on field/out field maintenance
            When you know that some PzD were down to 40 AFVs and had to fill the gaps with SPGs you see the point
            It was a war of industrial attrition. Better 10 jack all trade fighters or AFVs than a single Ubertank or Plane

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            • #51
              Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
              I don't think the words "within 7 miles" go together with "accuracy".
              Unless you are Arthur Harris....

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Linedoggie View Post
                Unless you are Arthur Harris....
                Hahahaha ... loved this one!

                ... another keyboard gone.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Linedoggie View Post
                  Unless you are Arthur Harris....
                  Well yes. Then it's "pin point accuracy".

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Mordoror View Post

                    30 000 fighters is just a figure
                    With the ressources Germany could have allowed itself more trained pilotes (lacking indeed by the end of the war) and more planes more advanced than what was put on line
                    Same issue with PzVI and other land monsters
                    One Tiger was worth in ressource between 8 and 12 PzIVH in raw material, labour time and on field/out field maintenance
                    When you know that some PzD were down to 40 AFVs and had to fill the gaps with SPGs you see the point
                    It was a war of industrial attrition. Better 10 jack all trade fighters or AFVs than a single Ubertank or Plane

                    as I said: it was a political Nazi (Hitler) decision.

                    NOT a military one.

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