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  • GB_FXST
    started a topic Shoah: Articles and previously unknown facts

    Shoah: Articles and previously unknown facts

    The purpose of this thread is to share articles and previously unknown facts about the Holocaust / Shoah:

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    The Catholic, French count who saved a Jewish family from the Nazis



    In his castle in rural France, Count Henri de Menthon discreetly and humbly saved Jewish children in during World War II.


    http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017NDMy...A3MzMxOEZFMzg=

  • Telmar
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    Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post

    Lot's of controversial material here.

    I have always been skeptical of the claim of the policy of silence. But perhaps, the archives will indeed demonstrate covert and diplomatic efforts as has been previously claimed.

    More problematic will be the post war rat lines allowing the escape of Nazi war criminals. Was this really the work of rogue officials, or was something else happening.

    Also, leaving aside the question of the Holocaust, I have found the Vatican's response to Nazism perplexing. Hitler was anti-Catholic, yet the Vatican, seemingly, never took a stand against him. Again, conventional wisdom posed a policy born of fear of repercussions to Catholic Clergy.

    Lots to learn.
    Hitler and the highest level of nazis were indeed outspoken atheists. Unfortunately some catholic-extremists found totally suitable to accept his policies, and the nazis knew they needed not to alienate the conservative part of the population.

    Hitler appointed Tiso, who was a preast, in Slovakia to lead the Slovak state and to do absolutely awful things against the Jews using the antisemitism long harbored in the by traditional Catholics. Thankfully, some rejected these policies altogether. In France, Petain was a devout Catholic...The nazis worked with people who would have no problem in implementing their policies.

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  • GB_FXST
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    Anja Listmann, a native of Bad Salzschlirf (Fulda district), has been working for decades to work on the Holocaust and the reconciliation between Germans and Jews in the Fulda region. And Anja Listmann tells me a story that is so unbelievable that one rubs his eyes in wonderment:

    https://osthessen-news.de/n11611570/...schdecken.html

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  • GB_FXST
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    Fatah propaganda exposed:

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    FATAH FACEBOOK PAGE SAYS JEWS DESERVED TO DIE IN THE HOLOCAUST - REPORT

    PMW researched the story referenced in the original post and found that while it bears some similarities to a historical account documented by JTA in 1942. “In reality, Jews and Ukrainians all acted historically by refusing to bury each other alive, and therefore were all murdered by the Nazis,” writes PMW in a statement.

    Nan Jacques Zilberdik, senior analyst at PMW, said that Fatah posted this story without comment.

    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Fa...-report-582485

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  • GB_FXST
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    Originally posted by riderboy View Post

    From a history point of view, fascinating. From a moral point of view, devastating.
    Lot's of controversial material here.

    I have always been skeptical of the claim of the policy of silence. But perhaps, the archives will indeed demonstrate covert and diplomatic efforts as has been previously claimed.

    More problematic will be the post war rat lines allowing the escape of Nazi war criminals. Was this really the work of rogue officials, or was something else happening.

    Also, leaving aside the question of the Holocaust, I have found the Vatican's response to Nazism perplexing. Hitler was anti-Catholic, yet the Vatican, seemingly, never took a stand against him. Again, conventional wisdom posed a policy born of fear of repercussions to Catholic Clergy.

    Lots to learn.

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  • riderboy
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    Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post
    POPE FRANCIS: 'THE CHURCH ISN'T AFRAID OF HISTORY'

    Vatican to open archives on WWII-era pope accused of silence on Holocaust

    Secret documents on Pius XII, who served during WWII and its aftermath, could shed light on leader widely criticized by Jews

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/vatica...-on-holocaust/
    From a history point of view, fascinating. From a moral point of view, devastating.

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  • GB_FXST
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    POPE FRANCIS: 'THE CHURCH ISN'T AFRAID OF HISTORY'

    Vatican to open archives on WWII-era pope accused of silence on Holocaust

    Secret documents on Pius XII, who served during WWII and its aftermath, could shed light on leader widely criticized by Jews

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/vatica...-on-holocaust/

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  • DTA
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    National archive of Finland published work by Lars Westerlund "The Finnish SS-volunteers and atrocities against Jews, Civilians and Prisoners of War in Ukraine and tha Caucasus Region 1941–1943" (english language)
    https://www.arkisto.fi/uploads/Julka...S_verkkoon.pdf

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  • GB_FXST
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    These Pioneers Created the First Reliable Record of the Holocaust

    A new exhibition at the Wiener Library profiles the earliest men and women who gathered firsthand survivor accounts, ensuring their testimony would live on

    Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...2cDGUjv0Ogz.99

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  • GB_FXST
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    The women who risked their lives to uncover the crimes of the Holocaust

    'There is a tendency to understand history as being about men and written by men,' says curator of new exhibition

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8798151.html

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  • GB_FXST
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    Bertram H. Kornfeld, 94, Holocaust survivor, World War II Army veteran, and educator

    Bertram H. Kornfeld, 94, of Philadelphia, a Holocaust survivor and World War II Army veteran who later became a longtime educator in the Philadelphia public schools, died Thursday, Feb. 21, of complications of Parkinson’s disease at his home.

    https://www.philly.com/obituaries/ho...-20190226.html

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  • Cowboy's daughter
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    HistoryBites
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    78 years ago today, 1st transport of Jews to concentration camps leave Plotsk, Poland.

    https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...db&oe=5CF2077E

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  • GB_FXST
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    ALL THAT JAZZ MILES DAVIS, MONK, AND COLTRANE AMONG THE GREAT ARTISTS

    This Jewish duo escaped the Nazis to break sound barriers with Blue Note Records

    New documentary 'It Must Schwing!' celebrates the founders of jazz's top label, who recorded legendary African-American musicians of the 20th century at a time of racial strife

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/this-j...-note-records/

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  • GB_FXST
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    THE JEWS WHO STABBED GERMANY IN THE BACK

    Seventy-nine years after Kristallnacht, ‘A Deadly Legacy,’ a new history of German Jewish soldiers during World War I, traces the origins of the European scapegoating that would engulf the continent some years later

    A similar bewilderment afflicted Germany at the end of World War I. The first stab-in-the-back story—Dolchstoss in German—happened when the German army returned home in defeat in November 1918. The reason for their surrender was obscure to many Germans: the enemy had never touched German soil, and both at the beginning and the end of the war—at least according to German newspapers—the Kaiser’s forces appeared to be winning. So there was only one possible explanation: Germany had been betrayed by Socialists and (you guessed it) Jews, 1918’s equivalent of the traitorous Sixties counterculture.

    Historians have often remembered that right-wing Germans let their Jewish compatriots take the rap for Germany’s defeat and for the shame of Versailles’ punitive peace. They have been less inclined to remember that for most of the war German Jews and gentiles stood proudly together in defense of their country. Jews welcomed the war as a fight for justice, freedom and, most important of all, German culture.

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    Stern in his book about the intellectual roots of Nazism, The Politics of Cultural Despair, wrote that “No single idea played so powerful and so pernicious a role in postwar Germany as the notion that an undefeated army had voluntarily laid down its arms in the hope of a just peace. Because of it, Germans were able to feel that the Allies had tricked, not defeated them,” and that sinister elements of German society had aided this betrayal: “socialists, liberals, and Jews.”

    The Weimar republic had been “fathered by traitors.” And so when the republic was swept away by the Nazis, Germans swallowed their reservations. They were certain that, whatever Hitler’s shortcomings, at least he would never double-cross them and lead their homeland to ruin.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-art...ny-in-the-back

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  • GB_FXST
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    Originally posted by downsizer View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...last-survivors

    A documentary I found very moving. Couple of points struck me, the guy returning to auschwitz was intense and also I'm not sure how I feel about the survivors children essentially "blaming" the parents for their problems. Complex.

    Anyway worth a watch, you'll need a vpn outside the UK I suspect.
    Haven't watched it yet ... But I know that children of survivors often suffer terribly because of the demons haunting their parents.

    This happened in my family, not me btw, and is often a subplot in post-Holocaust literature.

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