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  • Israel-Arab Conflict

    Reviving the history thread for Israel-Arab history and issues.

  • #2
    All this shit is because of the Temple Mount isn't?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mashiach View Post
      All this shit is because of the Temple Mount isn't?
      All this shit is because of the Palestinian pipe dream.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post

        All this shit is because of the Palestinian pipe dream.
        But they want to control Jerusalem and the Temple Mount right?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mashiach View Post
          But they want to control Jerusalem and the Temple Mount right?
          It's just one facet of the conflict. the current wave of violence (although it greatly reduced in volume in recent months) was intitally sparked due to claims by the Palestinians and Jordan that Israel was destroying Al Aqsa. but the violence quickly outgrew it.

          Jordan suggested to install cameras there, so everyone could see what's going on, at which point the Palestinas went "let's not go that far..."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tanks_alot View Post

            It's just one facet of the conflict. the current wave of violence (although it greatly reduced in volume in recent months) was intitally sparked due to claims by the Palestinians and Jordan that Israel was destroying Al Aqsa. but the violence quickly outgrew it.

            Jordan suggested to install cameras there, so everyone could see what's going on, at which point the Palestinas went "let's not go that far..."
            ​And the previous Antifadas were triggered by the similar events in Jerusalem?

            After watching a lot of documentaries on history of Israel and Arab-Israel conflict recently I got a feeling that epicenter of the conflict is exactly on the Temple Mount...

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            • #7
              Hmm yes, that must be it. All those wars and attacks prior to Israel gaining control of the Mount were imaginary...

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              • #8
                All those wars (and attacks?) were triggered by Israelis reclaiming their Promised Land including Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. I'm not saying they don't have the right to their Land and the Sanctuary, but the fact remains their policy in the last 68 years was anything but diplomatic. On the other hand the fact that Arabs wouldn't have given anything willingly is also true...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mashiach View Post
                  All those wars (and attacks?) were triggered by Israelis reclaiming their Promised Land including Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. I'm not saying they don't have the right to their Land and the Sanctuary, but the fact remains their policy in the last 68 years was anything but diplomatic. On the other hand the fact that Arabs wouldn't have given anything willingly is also true...
                  Wrong.

                  1948, 1956 and 1967 are the result of Arab bloc casus bellum.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mashiach View Post
                    All those wars (and attacks?) were triggered by Israelis reclaiming their Promised Land including Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. I'm not saying they don't have the right to their Land and the Sanctuary, but the fact remains their policy in the last 68 years was anything but diplomatic. On the other hand the fact that Arabs wouldn't have given anything willingly is also true...
                    You might want to read something on the Hebron massacre of 1929, being only one although easily the most (in)famous example of how ruthlessly the Palestinians had already used to fight the Jews while they were but a minority in the Protectorate. Some Muslim families of Hebron gave shelter to Jewish neighbours that day, saving their lives, this is true; but many others made a move with determination and took dozens of lives in the most terrible ways imaginable: children being burnt alive, women being raped with knifes (apparently that's quite en vogue with Islamic militants)… The hatred runs so deep it doesn't need a reason to thrive anymore.

                    The civilized world should side with Israel for the very reason that when it comes to the comparison of who's made the most noteworthy concessions so far and who's treating their foe better than their respective counterpart is, Israel wins both times hands down. That's because Israel is a democracy and committed to basic human rights standards, whereas even the "moderates" on the Palestinian side consider compromises a sign of "weakness" and have a horrible human rights record since their understanding of war makes no distinction between civilian and combattant. It's not Israeli mothers who're known to have strapped bombs on their children and frankly, that's all a loving parent needs to know about this war.

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                    • #11
                      muck, I could not have said it better myself. Well done!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GB_FXST View Post

                        Wrong.

                        1948, 1956 and 1967 are the result of Arab bloc casus bellum.
                        ​Yeah, had Arabs not attacked in 1948, Jews would have followed the Partition Plan. You made my day

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mashiach View Post

                          ​Yeah, had Arabs not attacked in 1948, Jews would have followed the Partition Plan. You made my day
                          In 1948 the Jewish people had just faced almost certain extinction and all they wanted now was a safe haven, for which they were willing to compromise — a fact very well-documented. Do you really think that what they desired most was even more death and destruction?
                          The plan to attack a people after a most catastrophic bloodletting had just almost wiped it out had to backfire. The Arabs knew the situation the Jews were in but cared not about it. And why would they have, seeing how they had spent the World War hoping that Hitler would succeed? They didn't even want to try if peaceful coexistence was possible because they had already hated the Jews, and they sought to keep what they had conquered centuries before. End of story.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by muck View Post

                            You might want to read something on the Hebron massacre of 1929, being only one although easily the most (in)famous example of how ruthlessly the Palestinians had already used to fight the Jews while they were but a minority in the Protectorate. Some Muslim families of Hebron gave shelter to Jewish neighbours that day, saving their lives, this is true; but many others made a move with determination and took dozens of lives in the most terrible ways imaginable: children being burnt alive, women being raped with knifes (apparently that's quite en vogue with Islamic militants)… The hatred runs so deep it doesn't need a reason to thrive anymore.

                            The civilized world should side with Israel for the very reason that when it comes to the comparison of who's made the most noteworthy concessions so far and who's treating their foe better than their respective counterpart is, Israel wins both times hands down. That's because Israel is a democracy and committed to basic human rights standards, whereas even the "moderates" on the Palestinian side consider compromises a sign of "weakness" and have a horrible human rights record since their understanding of war makes no distinction between civilian and combattant. It's not Israeli mothers who're known to have strapped bombs on their children and frankly, that's all a loving parent needs to know about this war.
                            And 1 million Palestinians left Israel not because of the good life you know...

                            The Civilized World should look for the compromise instead of putting clichés and suppressing the interests of the whole nations .

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mashiach View Post

                              And 1 million Palestinians left Israel not because of the good life you know...

                              The Civilized World should look for the compromise instead of putting clichés and suppressing the interests of the whole nations .
                              Get your facts straight. 1 million Palestinian did not leave Israel.

                              Civilized World, compromise ... what are you talking about?

                              Before, you answer, consider too the plight of Jews through out the Levant forced to flee thier homes.

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