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  • Originally posted by Musashi View Post
    The article says he's being planned to be deported to Poland. He has not been deported yet, though.
    May be. But Saakhashvili is in Warsaw right now.
    ​Meanwhile:
    Poland is the most dangerous enemy of Ukraine, as 112 TV channel poll shows.

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    • Originally posted by vs1863 View Post
      May be. But Saakhashvili is in Warsaw right now.
      ​Meanwhile:
      Poland is the most dangerous enemy of Ukraine, as 112 TV channel poll shows.
      Great, false ally is false. Problem was (hehe fortunately was) that we had to many clueless people who really belive that Ukrainians can be our ally and UPA/Bandera stuff is just temporary issue which will disappear due to EU membership aspirations (Loooooooooool). Current situation opened eyes to lots of Poles. GOOD JOB!!!!!!

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      • Leader of the Movement of New Forces party, ex-president of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili was returned to Poland, the country of his previous stay on Monday. During his detention in Kyiv Ukrainian border guards had to use force, spokesman for the State Border Service of Ukraine Oleh Slobodian has said.

        "Regarding the situation with Saakashvili. Today, on February 12, servicemen of the State Border Guard Service together with representatives of the Migration Service and the National Police handed to Saakashvili the relevant authority's resolution on his return to the country of his previous stay. However, during the procedure, law enforcers were attacked by unknown persons from Mikheil Saakashvili's entourage and the border guards were forced to defend themselves," he wrote on Facebook on Monday evening.


        http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/484434.html

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        • So finally, the Micho circus got too uncomfortable for the Poroshenko regime, and given the timing of this, I suppose the Georgian shit re the Maidan clusterfuck was just a tad too sensitive for the time being as well...

          Have fun with him, Poland. Hope you guys can lure something more out of him, before he runs back to NY again.

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          • Originally posted by chaffinch View Post

            Great, false ally is false. Problem was (hehe fortunately was) that we had to many clueless people who really belive that Ukrainians can be our ally and UPA/Bandera stuff is just temporary issue which will disappear due to EU membership aspirations (Loooooooooool). Current situation opened eyes to lots of Poles. GOOD JOB!!!!!!

            99 percent of Ukrainians living in Poland don't care about UPA/Bandera, so calm down a bit please.
            Ukraine may not be Poland's ally in the future (it depends on many factors), but personal relations between Poles and Ukrainians are mostly good, and I'm happy about this fact.
            Drawing conclusions from some internet poll... lol.

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            • Originally posted by PeacefulNeighbour View Post


              99 percent of Ukrainians living in Poland don't care about UPA/Bandera, so calm down a bit please.
              Ukraine may not be Poland's ally in the future (it depends on many factors), but personal relations between Poles and Ukrainians are mostly good, and I'm happy about this fact.
              Drawing conclusions from some internet poll... lol.
              Mate... Im working with Ukrainians... People with Polish roots are generally wery friendly and easy going, I have absolutely nothing against them. People who bought "polish card" or having nothing in common with Poland are totaly different, they are fine on day to day duty/work but just couple of shots or conflict with Polish member of crew showing they real face stry the way.

              Im not taking any internet poll as a main factor but details like that can tell a lot about attitude of not so small part of Ukrainian society. Personal relations between Poles and Ukrainians are relatively good for this moment, give it a while mate give it a while...

              "90 percent of Ukrainians living in Poland don't care about UPA/Bandera" that is BS and you know that...

              To be precise I'm talking about "working class", can't say much about Ukrainians with higher education on well paid positions. I would say that if you are talking about them you are right.
              Last edited by chaffinch; 12-02-2018, 02:45 PM.

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              • Ivan Katchanovski
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                In another manifestation of political censorship, the Ukrainian government banned 137 books about the "Euromaidan," the war in Donbas, and the OUN-UPA. These books, which were published in Russia before and after Maidan, include books by Russian, Ukrainian, and Western authors, in particular, a translation of "Ukrainian Nationalism" by John Armstrong. This was one of the first academic books about the OUN in the West. It was published by a US political science professor and offered a quite sanitized history of the OUN. Nevertheless, this book, like other books, was banned for "the content aimed at elimination of independence of Ukraine, propaganda of violence, and inflaming inter ethnic, racial, religious hostility, committing terrorist acts, and infringement of human rights and freedoms."

                http://comin.kmu.gov.ua/control/uk/p...&cat_id=141650

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                • Originally posted by moosefoot View Post
                  Saakashvili has been arrested yet again:
                  https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2018/02/12/7171360/

                  And seems to be heading for deportation, and not to Georgia for some reason..:
                  https://112.ua/obshchestvo/soratniki...ol-432845.html
                  https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2018/02/12/7171370/

                  Which is curious, as he was supposed to testify regarding the Maidan massacre tomorrow:
                  https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2018/01/31/7170187/
                  I'm a bit out of the loop on Ukr politics at the moment.

                  How would Saka testify, or what would he testify about?

                  He was supporting it politcally from outside but didnt even get into Ukr till 2015?

                  Or is there supposed to be some sort of Maidan/Georgian/EU conspiracy he was part of?

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                  • Well, great. Trump wants to cut food stamps, etc, but: " Out of the total amount of assistance that has been provided to Ukraine’s Armed Forces, U.S. aid accounts for about 90 percent,”

                    U.S. donates 2,500 night-vision devices to Ukraine’s Armed Forces (VIDEO)


                    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...ces-video.html
                    The United States government has donated 2,500 AN/PVS-14 night-vision monoculars worth $5.8 million as free military aid to Ukraine’s Armed Forces, the Ukrainian General Staff reported on Feb. 14.
                    Earlier in the day, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch handed over a certificate of transfer for the equipment to the Chief of the Ukrainian General Staff Viktor Muzhenko during an official ceremony at the U.S. Embassy building in Kyiv.
                    The newly provided night vision scopes could equip at least 10 army battalions for nighttime warfare, according to General Muzhenko.
                    “The United States is a strategic partner for Ukraine. Out of the total amount of assistance that has been provided to Ukraine’s Armed Forces, U.S. aid accounts for about 90 percent,” he said during the ceremony, adding that apart from providing various types of equipment such as counter-battery radars, drones, armored cars, and medevac vehicles, the U.S. government was helping to modernize the Ukrainian army by training its servicemen.
                    Ambassador Yovanovitch said the United States had provided $850 million worth of military aid to Ukraine since the outbreak of Russia’s war in the Donbas in 2014, adhering to its commitment to help Ukraine preserve its independence and territorial integrity.
                    The military aid would also bring the country closer to forming NATO-compatible armed forces, the ambassador added.

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                    • I didn't know that ambassadors present the transfer of defense articles and services...

                      https://liveuamap.com/en/2018/14-feb...vices-to-armed

                      In turn, the Department of Defense (DOD) has invested billions of dollars in “Building Partner Capacity,” a term that refers to a broad set of missions, programs, activities, and authorities intended to improve the ability of other nations to achieve those security-oriented goals they share with the United States.Dec 18, 2015

                      Directorate of Building Partnership Capacity (BPC)

                      http://www.dsca.mil/about-us/programs-pgm
                      http://www.dsca.mil/programs/excess-...e-articles-eda

                      May 18, 2016
                      President Obama Announces More Key Administration Posts

                      https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...stration-posts



                      Gas sector reform in Ukraine: unfinished business

                      https://globalriskinsights.com/2018/...eform-ukraine/

                      Reforming the gas sector remains one of the most crucial pre-requisites to achieving a genuine political transformation in Ukraine. The gas sector has been notorious for its corruption schemes, widely used by the Ukrainian political elites in the past. In 2015-2016, a number of reforms were introduced by the government in exchange for international loans. Since 2017 the reform pace has stalled, as vested interests are not keen to lose control of a lucrative business sector.

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                      • Feb. 14, 2018

                        Freedom of Association in Freefall: Draft Laws Undermine Ukraine’s NGOs

                        https://freedomhouse.org/blog/freedo...ukraine-s-ngos

                        Two bills backed by President Poroshenko are part of a broader attack on civil society groups dedicated to fighting corruption.
                        Since last year, civil society groups, journalists, anticorruption activists, and others have witnessed an ominous change in the environment for freedom of association in Ukraine. Freedom House’s recently released Freedom in the World report on the country underscored the government’s increased pressure on civil society organizations, in part through new legislation that especially affects groups focused on fighting corruption.
                        Harassment and trumped-up charges


                        Freedom House is a U.S.-based[4] 501(c)(3) U.S. Government-funded non-governmental organization (NGO) that conducts research and advocacy on democracy, political freedom, and human rights.
                        wikipedia

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                        • Harassment and trumped-up charges... Openly neo-Nazi militias "assisting" the police, dozens of bizarre assaults and murders of inconvenient figures a month, the Saakashvili circus... Well, welcome to Ukraine. In its (alleged) efforts to distance itself from everything Russian it has in fact wholeheartedly adopted everything wrong with Russian society and amplified it ten-fold on top of that. It's basically regressed into the hell hole that was the Russian 1990's now. The irony.

                          Shoulda gone to specsavers.

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                          • Originally posted by moosefoot View Post
                            Harassment and trumped-up charges... Openly neo-Nazi militias "assisting" the police, dozens of bizarre assaults and murders of inconvenient figures a month, the Saakashvili circus... Well, welcome to Ukraine. In its (alleged) efforts to distance itself from everything Russian it has in fact wholeheartedly adopted everything wrong with Russian society and amplified it ten-fold on top of that. It's basically regressed into the hell hole that was the Russian 1990's now. The irony.

                            Shoulda gone to specsavers.
                            If Freedom House is posting anti-Poroshenko articles, i surmise, if Poroshenko isn't anti-corruption, he will be sent packing. sooner or later.

                            We can look at Mexico, and draw conclusions that corruption will bring a Country down.


                            I wonder if Ukraine will ever accomplish ??? If OECD has been working with Ukraine for 25 years, hasn't accomplished much.

                            OECD Eurasia‏ @OECDeurasia
                            The OECD supports thirteen economies in Eastern Europe, South Caucasus and Central Asia in developing more vibrant and competitive markets.

                            Kick-off mission to Kyiv to launch the review of #SOE (STATE OWNED ENTERPRISE) Reform of Hydrocarbon Sector in #Ukraine w/ OECD Guidelines http://bit.ly/2EIa79c

                            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWAKcVWX0AAtuo1.jpg

                            the OECD promotes policy dialogue between OECD and Eurasia countries, as well as among countries of the region, through country-specific work, peer review processes and knowledge sharing.

                            http://www.oecd.org/eurasia-week/the-oecd-and-eurasia/

                            The Ukraine Action Plan, which supports reform in the areas of anti-corruption, governance and the rule of law, and investment and business climate.

                            http://www.oecd.org/eurasia/countrie...d-the-oecd.htm


                            The OECD has worked with Ukraine for a quarter-century, supporting the country's efforts to transform its economy and integrate more deeply into international markets and institutions. The OECD's co-operation with Ukraine has been greatly intensified since 2014, under a Memorandum of Understanding between the OECD and the Government of Ukraine signed in the wake of the "Euromaidan Revolution". Under the Action Plan agreed for the implementation of the Memorandum, the OECD works to support reforms in Ukraine in three key areas identified as priorities by the government: anti-corruption; governance and rule of law, and investment and business climate.

                            On 27 October 2016, the OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurría and the Prime Minister of Ukraine Volodymyr Groysman, signed the renewal of the OECD-Ukraine MoU until 2018. The renewal reflects their determination to continue working together in support of Ukraine’s reforms.

                            http://www.oecd.org/about/budget/

                            How we are funded
                            OECD is funded by its member countries. National contributions are based on a formula which takes account of the size of each member's economy.
                            Countries may also make voluntary contributions to financially support outputs in the OECD programme of work.

                            lIST OF MEMBER COUNTRIES
                            http://www.oecd.org/about/membersand...-countries.htm

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                            • Right to pension
                              in the context of armed conflict:
                              international experience and solutions for Ukraine

                              https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefwe...on_eng_web.pdf

                              This publication has been published with the
                              assistance of the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) and
                              the European Union Civil Protection and Humanitarian
                              Aid (ECHO). The contents of this publication are the
                              sole responsibility of the Norwegian Refugee Council
                              (NRC) and the views expressed herein should not
                              be taken, in any way, to reflect the official opinion of
                              the UN Refugee Agency or the European Union Civil
                              Protection and Humanitarian Aid.

                              The humanitarian community and Ukrainian civil society constantly urges the Government of Ukraine to guarantee or ensure all eligible citizens of Ukraine the right to receive their entitlements, including pensions and social benefits, regardless of IDP registration or place of residence – including for those in NGCA
                              To provide a forum for dialogue between the government, civil society and humanitarian community on possible solutions in the Ukrainian context, to acquire knowledge about good practices from similar contexts (such as Georgia, Moldova, Balkan countries, etc.), as well as to increase the level of understanding of the international obligations taken by Ukraine (particularly as a member of the Council of Europe), the Norwegian Refugee Council organised a discussion “The right to pension in the context of armed conflict: international experience and solutions for Ukraine”, which took place on September 7, 2017.

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                              • Latest from the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), based on information received as of 19:30, 12 February 2018
                                KYIV 13 February 2018

                                http://www.osce.org/special-monitori...ukraine/371806


                                The SMM monitored two gatherings in Kyiv. On 12 February, the SMM observed 80-100 men and women (mixed ages) gathered at Independence Square in Kyiv carrying banners with messages against corruption. Four police officers were present; the gathering ended without incidents.
                                The SMM also observed around 100 people (70 men and 30 women, mixed ages) holding banners with messages critical of the Government gathered on Bankova Street in Kyiv. Participants were protesting the arrest and subsequent readmission to Poland of Mikheil Saakashvili. Among the participants, the SMM saw 30 men (in their late teens to twenties) with balaclavas and black or camouflage uniforms, some with insignia of the Donbas Battalion. The SMM observed about 200 police and National Guard officers; the gathering ended without incidents.

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