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  • Tasteless, but one has to think Ukrainians are doing it as tongue in cheek to tease russians for calling them Nazis. Same reason why Ukrainians have UKROP patches. Other than that I fail to see why would Ukrainians would relate themselves to SS units.

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    • Originally posted by KaliOS View Post
      Tasteless, but one has to think Ukrainians are doing it as tongue in cheek to tease russians for calling them Nazis. Same reason why Ukrainians have UKROP patches. Other than that I fail to see why would Ukrainians would relate themselves to SS units.
      Uhhh, you must be joking... Svoboda, Pravy Sektor, Azov/Aidar Battalion, glorification of the UPA... Russians were calling the Ukrainians in Euromaidan Nazis, because many of them literally were and still are...

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      • Originally posted by Vorph View Post

        Uhhh, you must be joking... Svoboda, Pravy Sektor, Azov/Aidar Battalion, glorification of the UPA... Russians were calling the Ukrainians in Euromaidan Nazis, because many of them literally were and still are...
        Torchlight processions, Nazi-era slogans, etc..

        Yeah, its just dem Ukrainians sticking it up to the man alright.

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        • Thanks for the explanation, not that it makes any sense as you have to understand it's confusing AF for an outsider to is the real sentiment in Ukraine. Having nazi sympathizers in the military is not only bad PR, but it also damages morale. Nazis were considering Slavs as an inferior race so how any of that makes any sense? I always considered ukrainians and russians to only have political differences while still having the same mentality. (Balkan syndrome). No offense to anyone!

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          • Ivan Katchanovski
            3 mins ยท

            New revelations concerning the Odesa massacre: A forensic expert, who worked in a forensic center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine and conducted an expertise of fire at the Odesa Trade Union, states that the Prosecutor General Office requested that he changed politically inconvenient findings of his forensic report. He also states that he was then physically attacked twice and fled to separatist-controlled Donbas after far right activists demanded him to sign a different forensic expert report that they gave him.

            His 298 pages long forensic report, produced for the Prosecutor General Office on its request, confirms that the deadly fire started at the main lobby and that burned remains of car tires were found at the main entrance. This is consistent with findings of my APSA conference paper and a cited video, which showed attackers throwing burning tires at the main entrance door. He also claims that many victims were killed not by fire but by some chemical substance. The forensic report cites various documents and eyewitness testimonies which confirm my study finding that this was not an accident, as the government and media claims, but a massacre by the far right led attackers.

            These revelations are also relevant to the Maidan massacre case because the same GPU conducted investigations of both these massacres and forensic experts from the same center conducted examinations for both these investigations and reversed without any justification given findings of their own forensic ballistic reports of bullets extracted from bodies of Maidan protesters.

            In spite of such revelations, many in Ukraine and the West still take official pronouncements concerning both massacres and reversals of key results of forensic examinations at face value and reject or ignore findings of academic studies of both massacres.

            http://timer-odessa.net/statji/delo_...rtize_786.html

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            • Originally posted by DTA View Post
              Hey, historians and specialists of ua military, name this unit , polish friends must know them. They were incredibly famous .... in some way
              Originally posted by username View Post

              Waiting for baltic SS apologist crew to arrive...
              Or maybe some flashy films would do good The Man deserves to be a HERO!!!
              Originally posted by void View Post


              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_W...sion_of_the_SS

              A unit that set a great example for modern Ukraine. /s
              I'm sure Oskar Dirlewanger is also seen as a hero by many as well.
              Originally posted by Cowboy's daughter View Post

              OMG, he was horrible. a monster.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_W...sion_of_the_SS

              Thank you, DTA. Your research, and knowledge of history is very much appreciated.

              Do you know, did any of the Volunteer Punisher Battalions in Ukraine since 2014, wear that patch?

              OMG, OMG, one Ukrainian soldier is a nazi sympathizer. Good thing the Russian nationalists removed their swastikas and rebranded themselves as "Anti-fascists" just before entering Ukraine. Unfortunately for them, tattoos and old pictures can't be removed so easy:

              http://russofashisto.livejournal.com/35884.html

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              • Originally posted by nemipuka View Post







                OMG, OMG, one Ukrainian soldier is a nazi sympathizer. Good thing the Russian nationalists removed their swastikas and rebranded themselves as "Anti-fascists" just before the entering Ukraine. Unfortunately for them, tattoos and old pictures can't be removed so easy:
                http://russofashisto.livejournal.com/35884.html

                But but but the others....

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                • Originally posted by My name again View Post

                  But but but the others....

                  ... are the "good" nazis. Yes, yes, I know.

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                  • Originally posted by nemipuka View Post


                    ... are the "good" nazis. Yes, yes, I know.
                    No obviously not, otherwise you would jump to their defense

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                    • Originally posted by nemipuka View Post







                      OMG, OMG, one Ukrainian soldier is a nazi sympathizer. Good thing the Russian nationalists removed their swastikas and rebranded themselves as "Anti-fascists" just before entering Ukraine. Unfortunately for them, tattoos and old pictures can't be removed so easy:

                      http://russofashisto.livejournal.com/35884.html

                      This is intellectually dishonest false equivalence. In Ukraine fascist ideology is tolerated, actively supported, and advocated publicly by politicians and leaders. In Russia you have a bunch of skinhead criminals who are outcasts of society. Equating the two is stupid, to say the least. What was Ukrainian society's reaction when skinheads/Bandera supporters try to disrupt May 9th celebrations? What do you think would happen if Russian skinheads tried that shit in Russia? WTF do you think would happen if a Russian soldier was photographed with an SS insignia?

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                      • Was this covered in this thread?


                        RT version


                        #GloryToUkraine, comedy relief, burst in laughter when I saw this, the highlight was the line appearing in the video, it all felt as a parody

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                        • Since January 2014, more than 400,000 Ukrainians have requested asylum in Russia: UN
                          http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/387...a-v-rossyy-oon

                          So, the statistics as relayed by Korrespondent (which is a bona fide Ukrainian news provider, by the way, and constantly under pressure to tow the government line or face swift Poroshenkian destruction as many others have already) are as follows (rounded off to closest 100):

                          Ukrainian asylum requests since 2014 in:
                          Russia: 427,200
                          Germany: 9,600
                          Italy: 9,300
                          Poland: 4,300
                          France: 3,500
                          Sweden: 3,100

                          Just outright nuts.

                          Oh yeah, and edit: According to the same statistics, a grand total of a 100 or so Russians have requested asylum in Ukraine during the same time (and each and every case has been trumpeted far and wide by the Kievan propaganda machine, pretty much) What a ridiculous state of affairs, really. Europe has successfully created its very own crackpot North Korea-esque shithole right in the smack of things.
                          Last edited by moosefoot; 13-08-2017, 10:27 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by nemipuka View Post
                            OMG, OMG, one Ukrainian soldier is a nazi sympathizer. Good thing the Russian nationalists removed their swastikas and rebranded themselves as "Anti-fascists" just before entering Ukraine. Unfortunately for them, tattoos and old pictures can't be removed so easy:

                            http://russofashisto.livejournal.com/35884.html
                            I admire your persistence, I really do. The straws are becoming increasingly slippery though.

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                            • Originally posted by Morlach View Post
                              http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=101829"]Was this covered in this thread?[/URL]


                              https://www.rt.com/news/399006-us-seabees-ukraine-maritime-center/"]RT version[/URL]


                              #GloryToUkraine, comedy relief, burst in laughter when I saw this, the highlight was the line appearing in the video, it all felt as a parody
                              There's nothing funny about it. Eastern Ukraine is now being occupied with US military bases and personnel than no-one there invited, and no-one there wants.

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                              • Originally posted by void View Post
                                In Ukraine fascist ideology is tolerated, actively supported, and advocated publicly by politicians and leaders.

                                Territorial integrity = "fascist ideology" ;
                                Violent annexation = "self-defence".

                                facepalm




                                Originally posted by void View Post
                                In Russia you have a bunch of skinhead criminals who are outcasts of society.
                                Yeah, right.






                                Originally posted by void View Post
                                What was Ukrainian society's reaction when skinheads/Bandera supporters try to disrupt May 9th celebrations?

                                Arrests and charges. What did you expect?




                                Originally posted by void View Post
                                What do you think would happen if Russian skinheads tried that shit in Russia?

                                In Moscow Victory Day has become a ritual of Russian self-
                                glorification and Soviet nostalgia - the real sacred cows of Putin's regime. That's why Russian ultra-nationalists don't try anything stupid on this event, not because of hate towards Nazi ideology.




                                Originally posted by void View Post
                                WTF do you think would happen if a Russian soldier was photographed with an SS insignia?

                                Most likely the local commander will recognize his potential and offer him a job as a volunteer with the separatists in Donbass.

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