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  • Swedish armed forces

    Deserves a thread!

    A decision on how the Swedish armed forces will look like in the future have just been taken, the annual budget will have risen with about 5Bn SEK(500M €) by 2020.

    Army:

    Will mainly be organised in two brigades

    5x Mech Bn (2x Leo2 coy, 2x CV90 coy)
    2x Motorized inf bn (Patria AMV)
    1x Airborne inf bn
    2x Brigade recce coy(CV90)
    1x "Battle group Gotland"(1x CV90 coy, 1x Leo2 Coy)
    2x Arty Bn
    2x Eng Bn
    2x AD Bn
    2x Logistics Bn
    1x Command post bn
    1x Communication/signal bn
    1x EW Bn
    1x Ranger Bn
    1x Security(counter SF) Bn
    1x Intelligence Bn
    1x MP Bn
    1x Technical Bn
    1x CBRN Coy
    2x Field hospital Coy
    2x Medical reinforcement coy
    1x Heavy transport Coy
    1x MOVCON Coy
    1x Guard Bn(Livbataljon, royal guards)
    40x Home guard Bn

    Air force;
    6x Fighter squadrons(Gripen)
    4x Flotillas(Airbase coys, logistics etc)
    1x Transport squadron (C-130, ASC-890, Sigint)
    1x Helicopterflotilla(20x A109, 15x UH-60, 18x NH90)
    1x C2 Bn

    Navy
    5x Visby class corvettes
    2x Gävle class corvettes
    4x Submarines
    7x Minesweepers
    1x Guard boat coy
    1x Amphibious inf Bn



    Last edited by TheKiwi; 29-04-2015, 07:42 PM.

  • #2
    Thank you for the info.
    What are the most drastic shortcomings yet? Are armored Bns fully equipped?
    Also, 40x Bn of Home Guard sounds awesome... do they have any heavy weapons i.e Bill ATGMs and such?

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    • #3
      Yes, the mech Bn's is fully equipped, if you just count the tanks and combat vehicles. New bridgelayers and vehicle mounted mortars is being bought and the tanks and CV's needs to be refurbished, but as it looks now we wont afford to refurbish all 120 Leo2 and ~500 CV90. And I think some of the Bn's won't get the new C2 systems...

      The home guard doesnt have any ATGMs, FN MAG, AT4 and Carl Gustav(and mines) is the main armament. But there will be a total of 4 mortar(120mm) platoons in the homeguard, one for each military region. And the marine home guard battalions have the Browning M2 on the CB90..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Henke556 View Post
        vehicle mounted mortars is being bought
        Any idea what kind of set up it is going to be? AMOS for CV90 or something on Pasi chassis?

        Don't forget to invest into submarine detection systems also...

        Any idea if Sweden will purchase CG M4 (in large quantities)? That lighter version seems so much better than M2 I had the pleasure of handling.

        As a bonus, have this picture of His Majesty Karl XVI Gustav on his visit to Estonia back in 2014:
        http://pildid.mil.ee/var/albums/Eest...G?m=1415778779

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        • #5
          Well, the proposition said "combat vehicle mounted mortar".. I sure do hope it's AMOS! I suspect it's gonna be mounted on CV90, we got 40 unused chassis bought for the AMOS-project.

          And we are investing in underwater sensors..
          I have no idea if we are going to buy the CG M4. I would sure love to have it!

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          • #6
            If they get the M4 i guess it would only be for the "maneuver" bn's, as the homeguard already have a bunch of the older types. What is intresting in the same paper is also that parts of the Home guard are called "Skytte" (infantry) instead of "Insats" (guard?). So the question is if its a intent to increase the types of missions the home guard companies can do, or just some one that taught "skytte" sounded better...

            Talking about CG, here is a slow motion capture.

            https://instagram.com/p/15p6tIir7C/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Henke556 View Post
              Deserves a thread!

              A decision on how the Swedish armed forces will look like in the future have just been taken, the annual budget will have risen with about 5Bn SEK(500M €) by 2020.

              Army:

              Will mainly be organised in two brigades

              5x Mech Bn (2x Leo2 coy, 2x CV90 coy)
              2x Motorized inf bn (Patria AMV)
              1x Airborne inf bn
              2x Brigade recce coy(CV90)
              1x "Battle group Gotland"(1x CV90 coy, 1x Leo2 Coy)
              2x Arty Bn
              2x Eng Bn
              2x AD Bn
              2x Logistics Bn
              1x Command post bn
              1x Communication/signal bn
              1x EW Bn
              1x Ranger Bn
              1x Security(counter SF) Bn
              1x Intelligence Bn
              1x MP Bn
              1x Technical Bn
              1x CBRN Coy
              2x Field hospital Coy
              2x Medical reinforcement coy
              1x Heavy transport Coy
              1x MOVCON Coy
              1x Guard Bn(Livbataljon, royal guards)
              40x Home guard Bn

              Air force;
              6x Fighter squadrons(Gripen)
              4x Flotillas(Airbase coys, logistics etc)
              1x Transport squadron (C-130, ASC-890, Sigint)
              1x Helicopterflotilla(20x A109, 15x UH-60, 18x NH90)
              1x C2 Bn

              Navy
              5x Visby class corvettes
              2x Gävle class corvettes
              4x Submarines
              7x Minesweepers
              1x Guard boat coy
              1x Amphibious inf Bn



              It's amazing the formidable air force that Sweden has for its size.


              How large was the air force say 25 years ago when the Cold War was dying out?

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              • #8
                When the Cold War was dying, the airforce had roughly 6 more wings than today. They also had more bases and warbases spread over the country. 25 years before that the airforce had even more wings. In the 60s the number of fighter squadrons alone were over 30. In 1980 it had dropped to 13. Not to mention the army and naval units.

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                • #9
                  Sweden used to have top five airforce by both number and power in the days... now all the moniez are spent on welfare, probably.

                  Here. have a picture of Saab Drakens, coolest planes to ever grace the skies
                  http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/sweden/saab_draken.jpg
                  Last edited by hythelday; 29-04-2015, 02:54 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Profevil View Post
                    When the Cold War was dying, the air force had roughly 6 more wings than today. They also had more bases and warbases spread over the country. 25 years before that the airforce had even more wings. In the 60s the number of fighter squadrons alone were over 30. In 1980 it had dropped to 13. Not to mention the army and naval units.
                    But how were they able to afford that? During much of the Cod War they had an incredibly massive air force and one of the best societies in the world, How heavy taxes were the people paying? and how nationalistic were they to have such a large defense force?

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                    • #11
                      Before the end of the cold war, Sweden was a border region between NATO and the Warzaw pact, and claimed neutrality in the event of war between the two. To be able to do that you nead a large army, so conscription, and a special relation between the arms industry could drive the price down. Still a large part of GDP were spent on the defences. For instance in 1988 over 2.5% were spent on the defences, and with the division of funds being Army 40%, Airforce 40% Navy rest method, the airforce alone would get around 1% of GDP.

                      The taxes i guess were about the same as today, but today Sweden spend around 1% of GDP in total on defences, the taxes are dependent on your income. So it was before possible to get over 100% taxation on income.. But for most people its around 30-40%, then you offcourse have the hidden taxes on purchase etc but thats another story.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Profevil View Post
                        To be able to do that you nead a large army, so conscription, and a special relation between the arms industry could drive the price down.
                        Keeping that impressive domestic defense industry is huge factor why Swedish military has had bigger than anticipated problems after turning to professional military. R&D expenses are still there, just as expensive as they used to be or higher as stuff becomes more complex, but low purchase amounts have destroyed economies of scale in materiel procurement.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by domokun View Post

                          Keeping that impressive domestic defense industry is huge factor why Swedish military has had bigger than anticipated problems after turning to professional military. R&D expenses are still there, just as expensive as they used to be or higher as stuff becomes more complex, but low purchase amounts have destroyed economies of scale in materiel procurement.
                          True, before they would buy 1 000 000 pair of boots, now its maybe 50 000 pairs, so a lot of discount is gone. Also there was/are a big idéa of using COTS, but the problem is that they still want it modified.. A example is the helicopter issues.. Spend a large amount on the NH90 wit hall kinds of extras, then realise we nead something now and WHAM.. get Black Hawks in a short time that handle the transport issue, but dont cancel the NH90 order. There is no incentive for the company to do right if you dont say "If you dont deliver on time, we won't pay or get another supplier".

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                          • #14
                            Standoff between the Swedish soldiers and a rebel group: http://blogg.forsvarsmakten.se/malib...-i-norra-mali/

                            The troops have been involved in two firefights with said group so far.

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                            • #15
                              Swedish navy leadership reaffirms case for Visby air-defence missile fit

                              http://www.janes.com/article/51138/s...ce-missile-fit

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