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  • Originally posted by FulcrumKAF View Post
    Very nice convo on the situation in Northern Syria with Rojava, US and Turkey. Note the impression Gayle got while visiting Rojava, including areas like Raqqa. Paints a much different picture than what Heiliger_Geist is trying to portray.
    Also, the last comment made in the convo gives you a good answer to why the Kurds said no to Syrian control over Afrin (or any part of their areas). Remember that the people who ran Afrin were locals.
    Interesting video.
    The fact that the Kurds were historically mistreated should have provided more impetus for negotiations with the government. Weakened as it is, the Syrian government was prepared for unprecedented concessions. Instead, the Kurds placed their faith in the Americans protecting them from the Turks which was never going to happen.
    In any case, they had an opportunity and now it is lost. Afrin at best will return to Syria one day. At worst it will remain on the front line of a fractured Syria indefinitely, and under the boot of the Turks.

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    • Originally posted by Squall-84 View Post
      Interesting video.
      The fact that the Kurds were historically mistreated should have provided more impetus for negotiations with the government. Weakened as it is, the Syrian government was prepared for unprecedented concessions. Instead, the Kurds placed their faith in the Americans protecting them from the Turks which was never going to happen.
      In any case, they had an opportunity and now it is lost. Afrin at best will return to Syria one day. At worst it will remain on the front line of a fractured Syria indefinitely, and under the boot of the Turks.
      The Kurds in Afrin had no guarantee by anyone of unprecedented concessions, as repeated several times by PYD officials, merely a proposal to hand over Afrin to the Syrian government in order to avert the Turkish offensive. Given the situation the people of Afrin found themselves in during the proposal, there was no need for unprecedented concessions by Damascus.
      The only thing Russia seemed willing to guarantee was protection from Turks. For anything else, they had to rely on the goodwill of the Syrian government. Given Kurdish history of "deals" with the central governments of their respective countries, I can easily see why they didn't trust Damascus.

      I'm pretty sure that Damascus expected Kurds to hand over control over Afrin once they saw that Turkey was serious about the invasion and that no international power would come to their aid (and thus didn't propose any serious concessions during the discussions on the deal to hand over Afrin).

      Also, keep in mind that the people who ran Afrin were locals. It was a personal decision for them, with family, house and land affected by their decision.

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      • Isis retakes eastern part of albu kamal city from SAA using multiple vbied
        Last edited by HHH816; 08-06-2018, 11:53 AM.

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        • http://www.newsweek.com/israel-bombs...tanyahu-977123

          Netanyahu said that Israel’s bombing of Iranian-backed Shi’ite Muslim militias is “helping the security” of European nations.

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          • looks like tel rifat is about to get manbijed

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            • Syrian Army extends deadline for rebels to reconcile in southern Syria

              BEIRUT, LEBANON (1:15 P.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has agreed to extend the deadline for the rebels to submit their answer regarding whether or not they will reconcile with the government in southern Syria.

              Initially, the deadline was set for June 14th, but as Al-Masdar reported on Wednesday, the date would likely be pushed back as the Syrian Army negotiates with the Al-Quneitra town elders and community leaders.
              https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/arti...outhern-syria/

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              • US, Turkey agree to force YPG leave Manbij in July

                BEIRUT, LEBANON (1:40 P.M.) – Turkey’s Chief of General Staff General Hulusi Akar and NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe General Curtis Scaparotti agreed via telephone on Wednesday to force the Kurdish-led People’s Protection Units (YPG) to leave Manbij by July.

                In a statement released on Thursday, the Turkish General Staff said Akar and Scaparrotti developed a roadmap to end the disagreement over Manbij. The Manbij roadmap was announced after a meeting in Washington last week between Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu and U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

                The deal focuses on the withdrawal of the YPG forces from Manbij. Should the model prove a success, Turkey will push for a similar arrangement in eastern Syria.
                https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/arti...anbij-in-july/

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                • The best response would be to launch a preemptive strike against Idlib, Afrin and Al-Bab by SAA and YPG supported by VKS.

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                  • Originally posted by Guma View Post
                    http://www.newsweek.com/israel-bombs...tanyahu-977123

                    Netanyahu said that Israel’s bombing of Iranian-backed Shi’ite Muslim militias is “helping the security” of European nations.
                    The whole Western alliance backed wars in Libya and Syria have demonstrably massively damaged EU security and lead to the deaths of hundreds of EU citizens.
                    We are spending billions every year to try and convert guys who failed at Koran binding studies into engineers and gynaecologists but the real threat and radicalisation comes from shia???
                    Yeah OK, this is kinda perverse shot term logic here from Bibi. Long term if EU won't defend their borders then they deserve all the consequences, they literally asked for it.
                    Even here in Ireland there's been several cultural enrichment rapes in past few weeks, there's a trio of guys on the prowl. It ain't shia doing it.

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                    • Originally posted by Tea drinker View Post
                      The whole Western alliance backed wars in Libya and Syria have demonstrably massively damaged EU security and lead to the deaths of hundreds of EU citizens.
                      We are spending billions every year to try and convert guys who failed at Koran binding studies into engineers and gynaecologists but the real threat and radicalisation comes from shia???
                      Yeah OK, this is kinda perverse shot term logic here from Bibi. Long term if EU won't defend their borders then they deserve all the consequences, they literally asked for it.
                      Even here in Ireland there's been several cultural enrichment rapes in past few weeks, there's a trio of guys on the prowl. It ain't shia doing it.
                      I symphatise with the Israeli position and I have no illusion that Iran is unequivocally a force for good in the ME, but when it comes to the European security our interests are clearly diametrically opposed to those of Israel. Which makes this geopolitical conflict so crappy.

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                      • Both of you are reacting to the title and didn't read what he actually said.

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                        • Originally posted by tanks_alot View Post
                          Both of you are reacting to the title and didn't read what he actually said.
                          I did actually read it and it said exactly what I thought when reading the title...ehrr

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                          • Originally posted by Fred333 View Post

                            I did actually read it and it said exactly what I thought when reading the title...ehrr
                            Well, if you think starting another war in Syria and sending a new wave of refugees to Europe is in your interest, good on you.

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                            • Originally posted by tanks_alot View Post

                              Well, if you think starting another war in Syria and sending a new wave of refugees to Europe is in your interest, good on you.
                              All Turkish, Gulfstate and US operations made it a better place? Lets support those blackflag types direct or indirect, don't forget those on those southern borders..only the SAA fights them.

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                              • well.. dear iranian member, for turkey its better without pkk on the border. dont know why you vehemently insist all the time. you an enemy?

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