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  • #16
    Looks like the Bell 412 needs to get its offers right or else...
    President Duterte has tasked Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana to look into buying helicopters from South Korea to augment the fleet of the Philippine Air Force.

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    • #17
      Personnel from Philippine Air Force (PAF) Technical Working Group (TWG) for the Attack Helicopter Acquisition Project under Horizon 2 of Revised Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) Modernization Program visited Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) to check on the T129 ATAK:

      https://www.mintfo.com/security-defe...licopter/5131/

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      • #18
        We sure love them Broncos... this will tie us over till the A29 Tucanos start arriving
        The aircraft were formerly owned by NASA, with two heavily modified in 2015 and used by U.S. Special Operations Command for combat evaluation in the campaign against the Islamic State.

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        • #19
          In June, President Rodrigo Duterte promised the Philippine Navy (PN) two diesel-electric submarines under Horizon 2 of the revised modernisation plan for the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP).

          The PN activated a Submarine Group on 16 March 2016 with 15 officers and 12 enlisted personnel. This unit has divided the acquisition process into three phases that correspond to the three horizons. The first is organise, research and training, and it is mostly complete now. The second is infrastructure and support development. The final phase is acquisition and sustainment, with delivery of a first submarine tentatively slated for 2025.

          In December 2016, the PN actually issued an RfI to various submarine builders. According to the MaxDefense Philippines blogsite, those who responded were Saab/Kockums (with the A26), ThyssenKrupp (Type 209/1400, modified Type 210 and Type 212A), Naval Group (Scorpene derivative), Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (Chang Bogo class) and Rosoboronexport (Project 636 Kilo).
          In June, President Rodrigo Duterte promised the Philippine Navy (PN) two diesel-electric submarines under Horizon 2 of the revised modernisation plan for the Armed Forces ...

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          • #20
            If the Philippines has no money to buy its first-ever submarine, Russia is more than willing to provide the country "soft loans" to acquire the specialized underwater craft, Department of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana said Thursday. Lorenzana said Russia is keen on selling to the Philippines its Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, which has surface displacement of 2,350 tons, a length of 73.8 meters and capable of speeds up 17 to 20 knots. It can be armed with a variety of torpedoes, missiles and naval mines and has a cruising range of around 6,000 to 7,500 nautical miles. In the ASEAN region, Vietnam is known to operate six improved Kilo-class submarines in its fleet.
            MANILA -- If the Philippines has no money to buy its first-ever submarine, Russia is more than willing to provide the country "soft loans" to acquire the specialized underwater craft, Department of National Defense Delfin Lorenzana said Thursday.Lorenzana said Russia is keen on selling to the...

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            • #21
              Austal is in talks with the Philippines Government for a contract to build six offshore patrol vessels for its navy.
              Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana in a media interview published over the weekend said the navy would acquire the craft, which would be built at Austal’s Philippines shipyard.
              Austal today said it had submitted a design based on the Cape class patrol boats it has built for the Australian Border Force and the Royal Australian Navy.
              It said further details of the potential acquisition were not available.
              Austal in talks to build enlarged Cape class vessels for navy at its Philippines shipyard.

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              • #22
                The Philippines' president doesn't want US submarines because he says they'll 'implode' — so he's turning to Russia

                https://www.businessinsider.com/dute...18-8?r=UK&IR=T

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JUNKHO View Post
                  The Philippines' president doesn't want US submarines because he says they'll 'implode' — so he's turning to Russia

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/dute...18-8?r=UK&IR=T
                  The context being most of the equipment the US has sold us tend to be used and old. It is only an issue to the US if we got Russian subs, as really, you guys dont even make diesel electric subs. The US shot itself in the foot again given their warnings like that from the Department of defense. Same thing as what that guy said to the Indonesians for buying Su-35. Truth of the matter, the US gave up its influence in the region in the 90s and left this area for China to grow, so the region built up their ways of defending it. The Philippines was the last bastion, and talk like that will drive it further away.

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                  • #24
                    Cannot disagree with anything you said.....reminds me of Sihanouk/Cambodia in the 50s/60s

                    One example - In the 50s the U.S. contracted to have a road built from Phnom Pehn to the coast (what would become Sihanoukville). Very little engineering/study done apparently the contractor just bulldozed a trail thru the jungle. Before they had finished there were already washouts, potholes, perpetual mud, etc. etc. etc....but signs were put up (Cambodia/U.S. Friendship Highway) - pictures of the signs with the conditions of the road in the background were circulated showing WHAT the U.S. gave or did in winning hearts and minds.....
                    The Russians built a non-descript cinderblock hospital in Phnom Pehn and equipped it with cast-off, 1st/2nd generation, x-ray equipment and other dated (for them) hospital services, but in Cambodia, and SE Asia, at that time, it was "cool beanz" - and was reported/pictured as how the U.S.S.R. would do to win hearts and minds.....

                    Sihanouk told the U.S. many times words to the effect..."quid pro quo ain't gonna work", cause eventually youse guys will leave us hanging when more interesting places in the world draw your attention....and the U.S. left SE Asia in 1975, in some places of there own accord, and in others -Thailand ordered the U.S. out - and Sihanouk was proved correct.,

                    As you point out....the U.S. has lost it's way in some areas of the world.

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                    • #25
                      The US needs to remember that the old relationship of the two nations and even SEAsia as a whole is changing, the genertions that grew up under US dominance in the region is getting old and this is getting more and more blatant in the military and government. You cant treat it like former colonies by telling them ""If they were to proceed with purchasing major Russian equipment, I don't think that's a helpful thing to do [in our] alliance." Specially when e can see Taiwan being hung out to dry in favor of the Chinese relationship by the US.

                      You have a leader that can fix it, unfortunately I doubt he will run for politics, but Gen. Matties is more in touch with sentiments here. Sadly, the current way of bullying by the current administration is off putting to "allys." More so, the Philippines with president who the US crossed in a personal way.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by JUNKHO View Post
                        The Philippines' president doesn't want US submarines because he says they'll 'implode' — so he's turning to Russia

                        https://www.businessinsider.com/dute...18-8?r=UK&IR=T
                        Duterte is a fucking moron, plain and simple. Last US Sub lost was USS Scorpion in 1968

                        last Soviet Russian subs lost were K-8 in 1970, K-429 in 1985, K-219 in 1986, K-278 in 1989, Kursk in 2000 and K-159 which was under tow in 2003

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                        • #27
                          The US doesn't make any submarines that the Philippines could buy. They've never sold any of their nuke subs, nor even offered too. Even when the Canadians were keen back in the 1980's. And they don't make any non-nukes.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TheKiwi View Post
                            The US doesn't make any submarines that the Philippines could buy. They've never sold any of their nuke subs, nor even offered too. Even when the Canadians were keen back in the 1980's. And they don't make any non-nukes.
                            Yup and not a slur on PAF but they dont have the manpower to crew a US Sub if it was offered.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Linedoggie View Post
                              Duterte is a fucking moron, plain and simple. Last US Sub lost was USS Scorpion in 1968

                              last Soviet Russian subs lost were K-8 in 1970, K-429 in 1985, K-219 in 1986, K-278 in 1989, Kursk in 2000 and K-159 which was under tow in 2003
                              It was in a context of all you give us are old equipment.. The US Coast Guard ships for example were so old, we spent more money changing one of the ships engines in the US. He wasnt criticizing the US Naval prowess more of the equipment offered to us.

                              And true they dont have any personnel to man the subs, hence the Russian offer being seen as very lucrative. As they offered everything including a sub for training. Interestingly, SOKOR made a counter offer. So the US DND should have kept its mouth shut.

                              They did the same thing with the INDO Sukhois and now even Indonesia is getting annoyed.

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                              • #30
                                HHI starts construction of second Philippine Navy frigate

                                https://navaltoday.com/2018/09/19/hh...-navy-frigate/

                                The steel cutting ceremony for the second of two frigates on order took place five months after the South Korean shipbuilder started construction on the first unit in the class.
                                According to schedule....

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