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  • And now it has been decided... The new SSM that will equip the new corvettes, the Hamina MLU and coastal missile batteries is the...

    IAI Gabriel!

    Did not see that one coming, as almost EVERYONE was guessing RBS-15 or NSM, with Harpoon as a dark horse. This also raises several new interesting questions and deductions like, "does this mean Barak 8 is a possibility as the coming SAM?" and that political and strategic issues have taken second fiddle to direct capability and price.

    All other candidates (NSM, RBS-15, Harpoon and Exocet) would have given political brownie points with the sellers, all of them already Finland's closest partners in defence, while I really don't think Finland will gain very much polital goodwill by supporting the Israeli defence industry. Also, it will not likely effect the HX-program, as AFAIK there is no air launched version, or at least not incorporated in any of the candidates for that.

    Interesting choice anyway, of which very little actual info is known, but Defense Update hints towards a missile longer and faster than a Harpoon, with an active radar seeker and possible ram-air propulsion for supercruise speed and extended range.

    http://www.defmin.fi/en/topical/pres...ses?588_m=9399

    https://defense-update.com/20160327_...p_missile.html
    Last edited by Anzu; 05-07-2018, 11:35 PM.

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    • Has the IAI Gabriel been installed on vehicle on other projects?

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      • It has not been acknowledged at least. The Navy has confirmed that the missile version ”is in use operatively in other navies” but refuse to name the exact version or which exact force use them.

        However, considering Israel’s notoriously restrictive view on saying anything (what was it, 20-ish years before Spike NLOS was officially confirmed to exist) and the fact that their Harpoons never have been upgraded past version 84D, it is not a big stretch to guess that they are one user of the Gabriel V.

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        • The Finnish Air Force F/A-18 Solo Display flown by Captain Lauri Mäkinen was awarded with the Sir Douglas Bader Trophy for best individual flying display at the Royal International Air Tattoo in July 2018.
          On the video you can step onboard F/A-18 with Capt Mäkinen and experience the display flight from above!

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          • Originally posted by Anzu View Post
            And now it has been decided... The new SSM that will equip the new corvettes, the Hamina MLU and coastal missile batteries is the...
            They are going to spent some 260M€ (of total 1200M€) already next year.

            http://www.defmin.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet?9_m=9418

            The defense budget is going to be measly 1.32% of GDP next year.

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            • The Governmnt has presented an MoD budget for the year 2019 which will end up at 3,198 billion euros, which is 326 million (11%) higher than this year. The increase is mostly made up of the budgeted funding for the Squadron 2020 corvettes (260 million) and a general increase of 130 million (110 million this year) which was agreed in the deal between the Governmental parties. This will increase the MoD budget for next year to 1,32% of GDP (1,23% in 2018).

              This however is not the total military expenditure when counted in the traditional way as some parts that are included in other countries, such as military pensions (Ministry of Social Affairs and Health), peace keeping and other foreign operations (Foreign Ministry) and the Border Guard (Ministry of the Interior) are handled by other budgets. As such the total military spending for 2019 (as counted by for example NATO) will be somewhere around 1,6% of GDP.

              I wont translate the complete press release as most of it is not that interesting, but what is interesting is that the Government wants to give extra equipment funding of 219 million euros between they years 2019-24 for extra weaponry to the Squadron 2020 ships (most likely ASW torpedoes as they thus far have been set as an option in the corvette budget of 1,2 billion euros for four ships), counter-battery radars and surveillance, recon and targeting equipment (likely some kind of UAV). An additional 164 million extra will also be granted between 2019-22 for maintenace and upkeep of current equipment.

              Press release in Finnish
              http://www.defmin.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet?9_m=9418

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              • "The Finnish Defence Forces 100 War Battle Show Oulu"

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                • Videos from basic training over the years in Lapland... I find these pretty funny.

                  1:47...

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                  • Just out of curiosity if anyone knows, why subs hawe not been taken as a option? Our shallow coastal waters would be great for them.

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                    • Originally posted by Lupus View Post
                      Just out of curiosity if anyone knows, why subs hawe not been taken as a option? Our shallow coastal waters would be great for them.
                      Shallow waters good for subs? I thought that is a hindrance and gives the sub less room to maneuver.

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                      • I was thinking of those smaller archipelago fitting subs which could maneuwer easier and not be spotted.

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                        • Local defense exercises. The point was to improve cooperation with different authorities; the defense forces, police, fire brigades and border guard etc:
                          Exercise in Southern savo:

                          Exercise in Joensuu

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                          • Nordic Flypast (360 video)

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                            • Yet another military police video


                              It's kind of shame they don't post informative videos anymore.

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                              • Leopard 2A6's and CV9030's on firing range
                                https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=atMEo_1539721173

                                EDIT: Is there are way to embed liveleak videos?


                                Finland joins the fight for Red Flag-Alaska 19-1. RF-A serves as an ideal platform for international engagement and the exercise has a long history of including allies and partners, ultimately enabling all involved to exchange tactics, techniques and procedures while improving interoperability.

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