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  • #46
    That feature came after the AF447

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Junglejim View Post
      That feature came after the AF447
      Oops. Too late. Because of AF 447? From the program it sounded like each pilot was doing his own thing, no one was "in command" until the seniorCaptain arrived and then it was too late.

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      • #48
        Almost all major upgrades in airliner safety is paid for in blood. in the case of Air France, their training sucked and each pilot was doing the others opposite. That's why now when there is a dual input an alarm goes off to inform them that the aircraft is detecting two pilots making changes.

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        • #49
          Airbus, Bombardier Forge Industry-Shaking C Series Agreement

          http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...ries-agreement

          Described by CEO Tom Enders as a “win-win-win situation for everyone,” Airbus’s unparalleled agreement to acquire a majority stake in the C Series airliner without paying anything is both the deal of the century for the European giant and a lifeline for Bombardier.
          But more importantly, Airbus plans to assemble aircraft for U.S. customers alongside its A320 family in Mobile, Alabama, circumventing almost 300% in duties the U.S. government proposes imposing on C Series aircraft imported from Canada in response to Boeing’s anti-dumping charges.

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          • #50
            Wow! aint that a bitch for Boeing. hink of all the knowledge and tech that just dropped on Airbus' lap.

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            • #51
              Bombardier has just said Fuck You to Boeing, and handed over control of the C Series airliner to Airbus.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Junglejim View Post
                That feature came after the AF447

                This not what I knew. The flashing green light on the glareshield and the dual input aural warning were there before 2009.

                Or is there a specific dual input mode that can be activated and then does this calculation of average control inputs and omits the warnings?


                And concerning the steel problem, that is worrying. One would think not much steel in a modern a/c but some critical parts are still made of steel.

                Bolts, engine pylons, parts of the wing root, high pressure lines, landing gear...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Junglejim View Post
                  Wow! aint that a bitch for Boeing. hink of all the knowledge and tech that just dropped on Airbus' lap.
                  Don't forget side effects too
                  Brits are questionning Apaches contacts (becausethe amount of jobs they have to Bombardier in Ireland)
                  Funny part is that Boeing asked "only" for 80% of tarrif, it's the congress (to please POTUS) that turned it into a 300% tarrif

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Mordoror View Post

                    Don't forget side effects too
                    Brits are questionning Apaches contacts (becausethe amount of jobs they have to Bombardier in Ireland)
                    Funny part is that Boeing asked "only" for 80% of tarrif, it's the congress (to please POTUS) that turned it into a 300% tarrif
                    The US Congress love knee jerk reactions when it comes to aviation... after a Coltran or some event in the US, the FAA wanted to limit the hours a pilot can fly to 1000 hours a years and broken down to months, weeks, days. it was the US Congress that went for the 1500 hours to be qualified for a Commercial Pilots License... killing off the pilot corps

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                    • #55
                      Enders expects new alliances in response to CSeries deal

                      https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...series-442389/

                      Boeing already has responded that the tariffs will remain in effect even if Airbus delivers the CSeries from a future plant in Mobile.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by merkwurdig View Post
                        Enders expects new alliances in response to CSeries deal

                        https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...series-442389/
                        Either it's cheap talking either there will be an interesting fight among senators
                        If tarriff is kept, there is no point to keep a factory in mobile. Moving spare parts is not cheap and US manpower is not cheap either. I am sure Alabama senator will be happy to see jobs get away ....
                        Plus good luck from a legal pov. Tarrifs are transborder selling taxes, i don't see how they can be implemented for something produced inside USA.
                        Anyway, good job Boeing for launching a trade war and expect side retaliations

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Mordoror View Post

                          Either it's cheap talking either there will be an interesting fight among senators
                          If tarriff is kept, there is no point to keep a factory in mobile. Moving spare parts is not cheap and US manpower is not cheap either. I am sure Alabama senator will be happy to see jobs get away ....
                          Plus good luck from a legal pov. Tarrifs are transborder selling taxes, i don't see how they can be implemented for something produced inside USA.
                          Anyway, good job Boeing for launching a trade war and expect side retaliations
                          +1 0234567

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                          • #58
                            Opinion: How Airbus C Series Deal Will Change Aerospace

                            http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...ange-aerospace

                            In contrast to Boeing’s “U.S.-first” approach, Airbus is doubling down on a globalist strategy by bringing Canada into its ecosystem—which will soon include major production facilities in seven countries. Its plan to establish C Series final assembly in politically conservative Alabama to circumvent 300% U.S. tariffs is both dazzling and creative. Teal Group Vice President of Analysis Richard Aboulafia calls it “defensive globalization.” It’s as if U.S.-centric Boeing is playing checkers while transnational Airbus is playing chess. Advantage Airbus.

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                            • #59
                              EU states don't have the same flexibility as US states like Alabama. eg EU taxing Irelands tax dodgers including back taxes.

                              300% is allowed under WTO. Its basically another wall. That Trump really is a hard man.
                              https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e..._e/agrm8_e.htm

                              As argued earlier. Extra logistics and freight for parts increases the costs. The whole engineering thing could move to the same Alabama plant if I was a bean counting Dutchman as it becomes more automated.

                              Why no tariff on the parts? More jobs in USA. Its a common practice in many EU companies that have assembly in USA that's been going on for years already. Trump didn't invent it.
                              Actually many of his policies are just those of the previous ones.
                              Even Democrat ones for example they wanted a better border and control immigrants, nothings changes with terrorists and ring North Korea with missiles was Hillarys idea years ago. Its institutional.
                              They call Trump a war mongering racist.

                              Airbus are not worried about making stuff in China for similar reasons. China demands a lot too. Including intellectual property and training.

                              Free trade is only for the naïve and powerless.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by primer View Post
                                EU states don't have the same flexibility as US states like Alabama. eg EU taxing Irelands tax dodgers including back taxes.
                                The US states also don't have this flexibility federal law overrules. They can set their tax levels on their own but as soon as they are involved in outer US trade they have to bend over in regarding import taxes.

                                Tariff thing and aircraft production are very complicated and out of teh ordinary production chain.

                                An aircraft consist of many subsystems being produced in many different places, nearly every company involved has several international br5anches because of this.

                                Tarriffing them - you shoot yourself in teh foot because you can't chose the best supplier anymore and possibly get stuck with systems working poorly causing the dispatch rates to go down bc. of constant failure stuff like that. Ask yourself why Chinese and Russian a/c also use international system suppliers. It quickly gets enourmously expensive if you try to do everything on your own.

                                Structural parts are mostly produced by machines today. In the building near me is a riveting robot working 24/7


                                The tariffing part could backfire badly due to the interweavings.


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